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re: Structural/Systemic Injustice
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:07 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:07 pm to 4cubbies
quote:So, you start a thread and then your excuse for not replying to someone's post in the thread is because you haven't read the replies to you in your thread?!?
Well there's 8 pages of posts, most of which I haven't read.
That's unhinged!
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:09 pm to LSURussian
this is why I have said she's terribly dishonest for a long time.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:11 pm to LCA131
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Ok. Do you trust the government to 'fix' it?
I don't trust the government to do anything.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:12 pm to LSURussian
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So, you start a thread and then your excuse for not replying to someone's post in the thread is because you haven't read the replies to you in your thread?!?
Yeah, I didn't anticipate getting so busy after I started the thread. Guilty.
I'm attempting to respond to posts now, though.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:12 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:13 pm to 4cubbies
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How did she cause the father of her children to be a deadbeat?
Not dey fault!
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:17 pm to 4cubbies
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My understanding is that humans deserve affordable housing, even if they had a baby out of wedlock or made other choices some people would disapprove of.
Nice try, but it’s not about “disapproval.”
It’s about making choices that aggravate or even create the need in the first place.
I can be sympathetic to someone working against their own best interest to a degree, but my sympathy has limits.
For example, if someone is an addict and they catch their house on fire nodding out on an H high holding a cigarette, I’m ok as a taxpayer with paying for the fire department to come put out the fire and trying to save the addicts life. An emergent situation.
But I’m not ok paying for the addict (who refuses help) on an ongoing basis to have food and housing and non rehab medical care.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:18 pm to NIH
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Haven’t you posted before that you have daddy issues?
No? But have you ever considered why it's imperative for you to make every post a personal indictment or attack? Have you considered responding to a thread with an idea about the topic instead of posting random insults? Just wondering what your motivation for doing that is.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:20 pm to 4cubbies
God nor the Founding Fathers promised you an easy or “fair” life. That is why your premise is flawed. What you are really asking is why are some people poor while others are not and there will never be an adequate answer to that question. The reality is it depends on where you are born, when you are born, and who your parents are. Some people get a head start others don’t, hard work and perseverance can change that but life is about choices and far too many people make poor choices but want to place the blame on their skin color or circumstances. Most, not all, but most people who find themselves in difficult circumstances can look back at very poor decisions that completely destroyed their life. It’s the constant scapegoating and deflecting blame that has exhausted the average American in having any discussions on the topic
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:20 pm to 4cubbies
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I don't trust the government to do anything.
Excellent.
We agree that the govt. caused the problem and socialistic policy will not solve it.
What do you propose to remedy the issue?
Or did you just start the thread without wanting to forward your thoughts on solutions?
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:25 pm to wackatimesthree
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Nice try, but it’s not about “disapproval.”
It’s about making choices that aggravate or even create the need in the first place.
No one has mentioned the father of her children. Sandy seems to bear full and complete responsibility for the intercourse that produced her children. Why is that? No one seems to be concerned that father is not providing stable housing for his children. That's a bit curious.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:26 pm to 4cubbies
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Yeah, I didn't anticipate getting so busy after I started the thread. Guilty.
this is the type of dishonesty we've come to enjoy.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:26 pm to 4cubbies
1st generation? Adam & Eve? Immigrants 100 -200 -300 years ago ? Children of slaves or indentured 260 years ago? 80 years ago ?
There is no one answer but rather the situation that a person comes from. In the early to 1940’s white people and blacks basically came from the same disadvantages. My father along with his 9 brothers and sisters were born in or around the 1920’s and were expected to be part of the family support of household growing up in Reserve & New Orleans most of the family never saw the inside of a high school, my father only made 5th grade. By 17 he was just one a million escaping the struggles and signing up to go to war. They had no idea exactly what that meant but seemed better than farming or logging like the previous 10 years. Was that failure of parents since they didn’t know better themselves? When I graduated high school I had no real exposure to college information as it was never a topic of conversation other than Tulane Football games my father worked at for extra money, I didn’t grow up in a so called neighborhood but rather a swamp. My parents were technically poor, was that someone ms else fault or just a similar situation? At 17 I lied about age to go offshore and after a very short period and a little money I started working for myself and growing a business the 2&3. My kids were lucky enough to come from a upper end of income bracket but were taught to pursue a future breaking a cycle of my family background. Was that because of me seeing my family past or the times evolving ? Poverty doesn’t breed social systematic breakdowns as it was never there, political situations and the decisions the make can build, destroy and oppress. In this current world there is no reasonable reason a person cannot better themselves financially if they apply the work. But those who don’t apply should have no reasons to expect others to do the work for them
There is no one answer but rather the situation that a person comes from. In the early to 1940’s white people and blacks basically came from the same disadvantages. My father along with his 9 brothers and sisters were born in or around the 1920’s and were expected to be part of the family support of household growing up in Reserve & New Orleans most of the family never saw the inside of a high school, my father only made 5th grade. By 17 he was just one a million escaping the struggles and signing up to go to war. They had no idea exactly what that meant but seemed better than farming or logging like the previous 10 years. Was that failure of parents since they didn’t know better themselves? When I graduated high school I had no real exposure to college information as it was never a topic of conversation other than Tulane Football games my father worked at for extra money, I didn’t grow up in a so called neighborhood but rather a swamp. My parents were technically poor, was that someone ms else fault or just a similar situation? At 17 I lied about age to go offshore and after a very short period and a little money I started working for myself and growing a business the 2&3. My kids were lucky enough to come from a upper end of income bracket but were taught to pursue a future breaking a cycle of my family background. Was that because of me seeing my family past or the times evolving ? Poverty doesn’t breed social systematic breakdowns as it was never there, political situations and the decisions the make can build, destroy and oppress. In this current world there is no reasonable reason a person cannot better themselves financially if they apply the work. But those who don’t apply should have no reasons to expect others to do the work for them
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:27 pm to 4cubbies
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No one has mentioned the father of her children. Sandy seems to bear full and complete responsibility for the intercourse that produced her children
Yes because of "My body, My choice" retardation.
You cant have it both ways..
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:30 pm to LCA131
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What do you propose to remedy the issue?
I do not have a solution as of this moment.
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Or did you just start the thread without wanting to forward your thoughts on solutions?
I started the thread to discuss systemic issues. I do not have a solution for injustice yet.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:30 pm to 4cubbies
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I don't trust the government to do anything.
Wait, you don't trust the government but you would like a bigger, farther reaching government???
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:31 pm to 4cubbies
There's structural and systemic injustice in the US, (might as well throw in systemic racism too), while at the time the Dims/liberals have controlled academia. Hollywood/pop culture, much of the judiciary, much of corporate America, etc. for the better part of 40 years and with regards to academia, it's more like 60-70 years.
Something seems amiss.
Something seems amiss.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:31 pm to 4cubbies
Might set a downvote record
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:32 pm to Rip Torn
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God nor the Founding Fathers promised you an easy or “fair” life. That is why your premise is flawed.
We should not expect to live in a fair society. Is that your argument?
Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:33 pm to 4cubbies
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Society has never been able to agree on what justice is, means or looks like, though. We've been dissecting is since Aristotle and Nicomachean Ethics - likely long before that, even.
And that's really what's central to my "this is bullshite" stance. The rhetoric from these "justice" types rely heavily on the false impression that there is some sort of concrete definition. They do this to set up the narrative that if you are against them, then you are against "justice" and thus you are bad/evil/whatever.
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My pushback is that this isn't specific to Sandy.
My point on Sandy was that the whole idea of systemic/structural juistice/injustice is such a worthless endeavor that the speaker's own example she uses to attempt to explain how this amorphous "injustice" can happen even without someone purposely driving it with evil motives, it can actually be used to show the entire subject is bullshite.
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I believe the argument is that everyone deserves a place to live which they can afford. I understand that's in conflict with our economic system, but that's how I understood the argument.
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My understanding is that humans deserve affordable housing, even if they had a baby out of wedlock or made other choices some people would disapprove of.
This goes back to my point about "deserve." If that's the point she is making, then what she's saying is that others must be forced to provide affordable housing to Sandy. To use her own language, an injustice must be forced on the owner(s) in order to provide some sort of justice to Sandy which then brings us back to this really being a re-packaging of Marx's class warfare.
Along with all of this, the subjectivity of her getting to assign who is suffering from an injustice, what justice looks like and who has to suffer to birth that justice belies the implication that justice has a concrete and objective definition within at least a majority of society.
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I always appreciate your posts.
Thanks, I really enjoy a good-faith discourse on subjects like this.
This post was edited on 10/28/25 at 12:36 pm
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