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re: Teslas charging at a gas station...
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:18 am to Marquesa
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:18 am to Marquesa
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So if you gas up once a week in a ICE car and let's say that takes between 5 and 10 minutes (let's call it 8 minutes) then you're sitting at a gas station for about 7 hours per year. If it takes 20 minutes to get an 80% charge in a Tesla, then you can charge on the road 21 times and your time fueling each type of vehicle would be the same.
Length of time sitting at a gas or charging station is more a function of range, lol.
I have a 36 gallon tank in my truck. I fill up once every few weeks. And I don't need to plug in my truck when I get home. Fill up a gas car once a week? Even with my 3/4 ton truck that got 12 mpg on the highway, I filled up about every other week.
How much do the decent "charging stations" cost to install?
20 minutes for an 80% charge seems low, according to most reports. I suppose that depends on where on the battery cycle you decide to stop and charge. It's recommended you not charge EVs to 100%, so you're operating in a range of 10-90%. If you charge more often, say, when your battery hits 40%, then you're charging more often, so I question your calculations.
While more efficient and convenient EVs are "10 years away", we're paying $7,500 tax credits for people buying an EV, so people driving gas cars are subsidizing those who can afford and use an EV. Frick that.
I use my truck. It's not a status symbol. I use the bed. I tow a trailer a few times a month. Can't do that with an EV.
Add the $7,500 back to the price of the EV and leave me out of it and let the market decide.
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Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:23 am to SantaFe
F150 EV soon, very soon
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:29 am to dafif
This is all about destroying the West. If one looks into what and who are behind this shift you'll see that most are extremist and nefarious.
There is nothing wrong with petro/combustion engines today as technology has become so advanced that the pollution is near zero.
I believe the electric car is a blessing and benefit, like wind, solar and other forms of energy, however the technology is not near advanced enough.
The downside of these 'advances' are the truly toxic components used that, at this point, be recycled. Similar to the smart light bulbs, batteries, like nuclear waste, has not yet - to my knowledge - able to be recycled or disposed of safely...
There is nothing wrong with petro/combustion engines today as technology has become so advanced that the pollution is near zero.
I believe the electric car is a blessing and benefit, like wind, solar and other forms of energy, however the technology is not near advanced enough.
The downside of these 'advances' are the truly toxic components used that, at this point, be recycled. Similar to the smart light bulbs, batteries, like nuclear waste, has not yet - to my knowledge - able to be recycled or disposed of safely...
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:31 am to dafif
A few companies are on the verge of being able to produce reliable and fast charging solid state batteries. As soon as these hit the market charging your battery will take less time than filling your tank with gas.
The main problem with solid state batteries are crystalline dendrites that form over time in these batteries and shorten their lives by a lot. Once the technology gets past this hurdle solid state batteries are the game changer for EVs.
The main problem with solid state batteries are crystalline dendrites that form over time in these batteries and shorten their lives by a lot. Once the technology gets past this hurdle solid state batteries are the game changer for EVs.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:37 am to AMS
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Very dramatic. It takes like 20 mins for 80% charge.
Send a couple emails, make a phone call, text a friend, watch a Facebook video. It’s not a deal and may actually be a decent rest break for long trips.
I must value my time more than you value yours.
F that. Even if 20 minutes was true, que in the people who will park at the "charging station" without needing it. A line of people waiting. etc.
I much rather pay 40-60 bucks for gas and be in and out in 5 minutes or less.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:38 am to Evolved Simian
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It takes 40 minutes using a Supercharger to get to 80% and 75 minutes to get to 100%
Most stuff I read says you can get 80% in 30 minutes.
But you have to keep in mind, the poster you were responding to is a confirmed liar.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:39 am to southern686
A lot of those people probably don't need a charge. They are just getting an extra boost from say 40 to 50% while their friend, husband, wife or whatever goes into the store to use the bathroom and buy snacks.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:42 am to GumboPot
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A few companies are on the verge of being able to produce reliable and fast charging solid state batteries. As soon as these hit the market charging your battery will take less time than filling your tank with gas. The main problem with solid state batteries are crystalline dendrites that form over time in these batteries and shorten their lives by a lot. Once the technology gets past this hurdle solid state batteries are the game changer for EVs.
I suppose that will mean more people will buy them and there will be more on the road. That's when you will find out the real problems with them, and when the true costs will be realized. No matter if EV owners want to admit it, they are still powered mostly by fossil fuels. If you start running more vehicles on electricity, you are going to have to build more power plants to convert fossil fuels to electricity.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:57 am to PUB
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F150 EV soon, very soon
Not gonna happen "very soon", lol. Even Ford is not magical. And I drive a Ford.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:00 am to GumboPot
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A few companies are on the verge of being able to produce reliable and fast charging solid state batteries. As soon as these hit the market charging your battery will take less time than filling your tank with gas.
The main problem with solid state batteries are crystalline dendrites that form over time in these batteries and shorten their lives by a lot. Once the technology gets past this hurdle solid state batteries are the game changer for EVs.
Right after they invent fusion power, right?
Look, I don't worship the buggy whip. Buggy whip makers went out of business for a good reason - the market moved from buggies to cars, and it did so without a lot of government intervention.
We're now FORCING a lesser technology onto society and making society pay for it, even though the rich are the only ones driving electric Teslas and Porches. Sounds like just the opposite of what liberals are all about - pandering to poor people.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:12 am to dafif
Lots of misinformation in here. My company car for the past two years was a Tesla Model 3.
Cold temperature absolutely affect battery range in a Tesla. The car allocates some of the energy stored to actually heating the battery. Expect 20% to 40% decrease in range as temperature goes below freezing.
High temperatures do not seem to be a big deal. I cannot tell much of a difference between 75 degrees and 95 degrees.
Using the car locally pretty much eliminates all use of charging stations. I simply installed a 220V outlet in the garage. Plugged it in each night to charge to 75% and you wake up each morning with 225 miles or so ready to go. My utility bill went up about $30-$40 per month. Charling to 75% prolongs the battery life instead of fully charging.
Day trips under 200 miles are no problem. I live in Nashville and could easily schedule meetings in Memphis, Knoxville, Chattanooga, Huntsville, etc. I simply had to stop at the Supercharger in my destination city before my meeting to charge. I used this time to make calls or review notes for my meeting. Fairly easy to manage. Remember to charge to 100% the night before.
Trips over 200 miles are a bit more of a pain the arse. I would not recommend a Tesla at this point for users that travel more then 300-400 miles in one day.
The car was a blast to drive. The only maintenance is tires and wiper fluid. Brake pads should last 250,000 miles if you use one pedal driving which was easy to do after the first day or two. Remote control through the app works great. Self- driving is still in Beta and needs work but updates come out nearly every month.
20 minutes at the Supercharger will not fully charge the car. However, 20 minutes is likely enough to get you what you need. You would probably add 150-175 miles of range in 20 minutes depending on charging speed. Charging speed can vary by the station as well as how many cars are connected when you connect. Many of my stops where for 5 or 10 minutes.
I did a day trip up and back to STL and it was a bit of a pain. I stopped three times for a total time around 1 hour and 15 minutes for charging.
Not the car for everyone but others should sh$t on it so much. My wife typically drives about 50 miles per day and she will likely get a Tesla when she is ready for something new.
If you drive long distances, haul items, or tow with your vehicle, the Tesla is the wrong vehicle for you.
Cold temperature absolutely affect battery range in a Tesla. The car allocates some of the energy stored to actually heating the battery. Expect 20% to 40% decrease in range as temperature goes below freezing.
High temperatures do not seem to be a big deal. I cannot tell much of a difference between 75 degrees and 95 degrees.
Using the car locally pretty much eliminates all use of charging stations. I simply installed a 220V outlet in the garage. Plugged it in each night to charge to 75% and you wake up each morning with 225 miles or so ready to go. My utility bill went up about $30-$40 per month. Charling to 75% prolongs the battery life instead of fully charging.
Day trips under 200 miles are no problem. I live in Nashville and could easily schedule meetings in Memphis, Knoxville, Chattanooga, Huntsville, etc. I simply had to stop at the Supercharger in my destination city before my meeting to charge. I used this time to make calls or review notes for my meeting. Fairly easy to manage. Remember to charge to 100% the night before.
Trips over 200 miles are a bit more of a pain the arse. I would not recommend a Tesla at this point for users that travel more then 300-400 miles in one day.
The car was a blast to drive. The only maintenance is tires and wiper fluid. Brake pads should last 250,000 miles if you use one pedal driving which was easy to do after the first day or two. Remote control through the app works great. Self- driving is still in Beta and needs work but updates come out nearly every month.
20 minutes at the Supercharger will not fully charge the car. However, 20 minutes is likely enough to get you what you need. You would probably add 150-175 miles of range in 20 minutes depending on charging speed. Charging speed can vary by the station as well as how many cars are connected when you connect. Many of my stops where for 5 or 10 minutes.
I did a day trip up and back to STL and it was a bit of a pain. I stopped three times for a total time around 1 hour and 15 minutes for charging.
Not the car for everyone but others should sh$t on it so much. My wife typically drives about 50 miles per day and she will likely get a Tesla when she is ready for something new.
If you drive long distances, haul items, or tow with your vehicle, the Tesla is the wrong vehicle for you.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:20 am to ericberryistheman
Fact still remains: Fossil fuel must be used, for you to drive that car.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:23 am to BiteMe2020
Possibly late Q4 or Q1 2022 and probably sooner than the Hummer
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:33 am to ericberryistheman
I would think that the constant quick charging many will do will end up destroying battery life. Those of us with long commutes and that tow heavy toys will be the last hold outs. Until an electric vehicle can do everything my 3/4ton diesel can do I will pass.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:44 am to CDawson
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I was at a hotel and they had no coat charging stations.
But if it was really cold out and you wanted to wear a coat, would they still let you charge your car?
Yes, I'm an a-hole.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:55 am to SlidellCajun
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Why haven’t they figured out how to harness solar power to keep the batteries charged?
You mean while you drive?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:04 am to auggie
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If you start running more vehicles on electricity, you are going to have to build more power plants to convert fossil fuels to electricity.
Yes, no doubt.
The argument from the environmental side is the CO2 produced from fossil fuel plants can be captured whereas it's not captured at each automobile.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:07 am to auggie
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Fact still remains: Fossil fuel must be used, for you to drive that car.
Absolutely, but a lot of people who buy Teslas aren't doing it for green reasons, they're doing it because of the novelty and the performance. I think the greenies lean more towards the Prius.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:08 am to AMS
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With 80% charge in 20 minutes.
You know what happens to your cell phone battery when you continuously partially recharge it?
and 500 miles...
You running your AC or heater during that trip? How about your radio? Any hills? You have to pass anyone?
Windshield wipers? Defrost?
Sorry, but this EV shite is foolish. The net effect is much worse for the overall environment that fossil fuels and internal combustion engines.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:15 am to GumboPot
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The argument from the environmental side is the CO2 produced from fossil fuel plants can be captured whereas it's not captured at each automobile.
They like to leave out all of the inconvenient truths, like when you build new power plants that burn fossil fuels, then you are making shitloads of batteries that are environmentally unfriendly, both while being manufactured and while being used daily. At the end of the equation, you haven't made a bit of difference, but you wasted a shitload of money.
Nuclear power is the answer.
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