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re: The dad knew Ahmaud previously
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:10 am to Dawgfanman
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:10 am to Dawgfanman
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Does the crime of aggravated assault exist in your mind? Are you aware of its definition? All suspects are “innocent until proven guilty”. Using that basic premise, Ahmaud must be assumed to have done nothing wrong, so a guy having done nothing wrong is suddenly confronted by two angry armed men, and you want to blame him for his reaction?
I posted the Georgia citizens arrest statute and the 911 calls. It will be up to the men’s attorneys to prove immediate knowledge of a crime. If they can, they were justified in their handling of the matter(that is, if they didn’t shoot him before he initiated the fight)
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
The gunshot happens right as he reaches for the shotgun of the man he goes after to fight.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:12 am to Caplewood
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I posted the Georgia citizens arrest statute and the 911 calls. It will be up to the men’s attorneys to prove immediate knowledge of a crime. If they can, they were justified in their handling of the matter(that is, if they didn’t shoot him before he initiated the fight
Finally a reasoned post.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:13 am to Dawgfanman
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Or like any reasonable person he feared for his life because two angry armed men were chasing him thru the streets..
Who fears for their life and charges right at a roadblock?
This kid was getting caught robbing somewhere and lost his cool and charged right at them. You can clearly see the guy backpedaling in the video.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:13 am to Caplewood
The first shot is at about :15 into the leaked video. It coincides with him starting to turn the corner at the front of the truck. But the son has moved to intercept him. So they’re pretty close together there.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:13 am to Caplewood
i fear that the initial investigation was so bad that they didn't do basic post-shooting investigations like examining for gunpowder residue
we'll know if the dad shot if they did the investigation properly. if that shot is from the dad, that's bad news
we'll know if the dad shot if they did the investigation properly. if that shot is from the dad, that's bad news
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:13 am to Caplewood
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the man he goes after to fight
You mean the man threatening his life?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:14 am to Dawgfanman
No I mean the man attempting a, potentially justified, citizens arrest
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:14 am to Caplewood
The initial paragraph of the police report seems to contradict the claim they had immediate knowledge of a crime, as they cited previous break-ins as justification for chasing him, and a previous sighting as justification for going armed.
quote:
Upon my arrival I observed Officer Minshew ( 184) setting up a perimeter .
I began speaking with Gregory McMichael who was a witness to the incident .
McMichael stated there have been several Break - ins in the neighborhood and
further the suspect was caught on surveillance video. Mi
his front yard and saw the suspect from the break - ins " hauling arse" down Satilla
Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated he then ran inside his house and
called to Travis ( ) and said " Travis the guy is running down the
street lets go " . McMichael stated he went to his bedroom and grabbed his .
Magnum and Travis grabbed his shotgun because they " didn ' t know if the male was
armed or not " . Michael stated " the other night" they saw the same male and he
stuck his hand down his pants which lead them to believe the male was armed
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:14 am to Caplewood
If Ahmaud was involved in a crime in the immediate time frame surrounding the shooting, we’d already know it. This didn’t happen yesterday. It’s two and a half months later.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:15 am to Caplewood
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The gunshot happens right as he reaches for the shotgun of the man he goes after to fight.
the point is that it's VERY likely that shot came from the dad
which means he did have the gun out and was aiming at the deceased prior to engaging with the son
which negates any alleged aggressor behavior by the deceased b/c the duo with guns is the defacto aggressor at that point
you're allowed to confront an aggressor with a gun with force up to lethality. certainly grabbing for the gun that's imposing a threat falls within those self defense guidelines
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 10:15 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:15 am to Stidham8
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Who fears for their life and charges right at a roadblock?
An innocent unarmed person being chased thru a residential neighborhood by armed men?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:15 am to Caplewood
quote:
I posted the Georgia citizens arrest statute and the 911 calls. It will be up to the men’s attorneys to prove immediate knowledge of a crime. If they can, they were justified in their handling of the matter(that is, if they didn’t shoot him before he initiated the fight)
Another box that needs to be checked is the crime needs to be a felony.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:16 am to Dawgfanman
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You mean the man threatening his life?
Like it or not, in Georgia a citizen can detain someone they suspect of a felony. You can emotionally describe it however you want, that doesn’t change.
Now if they engaged in unwarranted violence? Give em the chair. We’ll have to see the facts.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:16 am to Stidham8
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I don't see either of the sons being convicted.
Maybe, maybe not. They’ll be broke, though. The cost of their defense will ramp up as the circus ramps up, then they’ll have all the civil suits. Jail time or not, they made some stupid life-altering decisions that day. Looks like the kid may have as well.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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i fear that the initial investigation was so bad that they didn't do basic post-shooting investigations like examining for gunpowder residue
we'll know if the dad shot if they did the investigation properly. if that shot is from the dad, that's bad news
Not to mention the other inconsistencies in the initial report, like 3 shots heard vs 2 reported, and the fact they didn't "pull up" to Arbery, but were rather waiting for him. There is a lot about this case that gives me little confidence that the local department did its due diligence.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:17 am to Stidham8
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Who fears for their life and charges right at a roadblock?
He’s not charging right at it. He even slows up when he’s coming up to the truck, starts towards the drivers side and then switches and runs around the passengers side at which point the son has exited the vehicle to intercept him with a shotgun.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:17 am to crazy4lsu
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The initial paragraph of the police report see,s tp contradict the claim they had immediate knowledge of a crime
yeah and if that argument falls, they are pretty much auto-guilty of pretty serious crimes
if they didn't have the legal shield/authority to attempt a "citizen's arrest", then they're just 2 guys stopping citizens with lethal force
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:17 am to Azkiger
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Another box that needs to be checked is the crime needs to be a felony.
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Another box that needs to be checked is the crime needs to be a felony.
Stealing anything from someone’s dwelling is a felony in Georgia.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:17 am to crazy4lsu
This, there also needs to be an investigation into how this was initially handled.
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