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re: "The opioid crisis"
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:12 am to buckeye_vol
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:12 am to buckeye_vol
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Yes, although demographics are a bit different.
well yes clearly white middle class America is the one getting hit the hardest
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The major problem is that heroin is basically the most lethal and addictive, and worse yet, more lethal derivatives (Fentanyl) are being added, and they are factors more potent.
yea shite is no joke
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:12 am to SlowEasyConfident
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Is anyone sick of hearing about this? It's sad but at the same time these people are responsible for their own choices. My doctor got me hooked just doesn't cut it, be an adult. But I guess our government needs to spend hundreds of millions to help the junkys. Sigh
Many people become addicted to opioids from being prescribed them for pain management by doctors. They're not going down to the corner trying out a new high.
I have been on oxy a couple of times after surgeries. Luckily they didn't really make me feel high, but I was high on them... just didn't feel good to me. But my friends and family said was loopy as hell.
I know better than to try heroine though.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:00 am to buckeye_vol
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Your username fits in well with your post as you got off the medicine.
Yeah because going off=getting off
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:02 am to Geauxin off
We can attempt to develop drugs that don't have these addictive qualities or people can choose not to take them.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:14 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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his is just a totally ignorant statement, and it tells me you have never met anyone who became addicted to them.
This is an ignorant statement and tells me you have never met any doctors who prescribe pain meds.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:07 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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well yes clearly white middle class America is the one getting hit the hardest
It's actually poor white people getting hit the hardest.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:10 pm to drunkenpunkin
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Except people didn't make the choice to go to Vietnam for the scenery.
You're right.
They were duped by their gov't similarly to patients being duped by their doctors.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:10 pm to i am dan
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Many people become addicted to opioids from being prescribed them for pain management by doctors. They're not going down to the corner trying out a new high.
Ive had doctors who were insistent even when you said no
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Ive had doctors who were insistent even when you said no
Like they followed you to the pharmacy and made you fill the script... then they made sure you took one every 4-6 hours?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I mean if it's medically warranted, then making sure you had the prescription if needed is understandable.
Ive had doctors who were insistent even when you said no
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:36 pm to Queen
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They gave me 20 oxycodone. I maybe took three
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Had an ingrown toenail cut out and the doctor gave me 20 lortabs. I took two
I would be glad to take the extras off your hands. I've got a severe back ache.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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most of these problems are biological
And why did people want them? Why did doctors prescribe them?
It's not because patients were happy and life was going well.
The best example of this is drug use in draftees returning from Vietnam.
Rates were very high when they were in Vietnam, but they dropped dramatically when they returned to the states.
When removed from a stressful situation, the desire for drugs disapated.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:39 pm to SlowEasyConfident
My grandma was just given more opioids than she could take because of her hip pain. I don't think that's real necessary.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:41 pm to jcolding41
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My grandma was just given more opioids than she could take because of her hip pain. I don't think that's real necessary.
Just because you have them doesn't mean you have to swallow them down. I always have half a bottle or so stashes somewhere for when I get a bad pain that I just need a little relief, no need to go to the doctor and get an entire prescription.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:00 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:Well the government was also giving a lot of them amphetamines so that skews if a bit, I would think.
Rates were very high when they were in Vietnam, but they dropped dramatically when they returned to the states.
quote:I mean yeah. Drugs make people feel good, or the allow people to escape from reality. That need is greater when reality is not so good.
When removed from a stressful situation, the desire for drugs disapated.
And obviously drugs have useful and medicinal functions too. In the case of opoids, it's used to treat pain.
But the issue dependency or largely biological, given the physical dependence potential of opoids. And psychological dependency and dysfunction only exacerbates that. In addition, there appears to be done genetic predisposition to addiction too.
In other words, you're right that social and psychological factors are important, but biology is a major part too, ESPECIALLY after one becomes dependent.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:03 pm to buckeye_vol
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buckeye_vol
But isn't the real question " why is the government allowed to make some people's choice of oblivion illegal?"
If some guy wants to sit in his apartment and drink himself to death. That's legal, and easily done. But want to pop pills until you die? Oh no sah this is an epidemic we must end.
My thoughts? Let nature take it's course and thin out the herd.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:32 pm to MoarKilometers
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Like they followed you to the pharmacy and made you fill the script... then they made sure you took one every 4-6 hours?
Wtf does that have to do with giving you a script?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:34 pm to buckeye_vol
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But the issue dependency or largely biological, given the physical dependence potential of opoids. And psychological dependency and dysfunction only exacerbates that. In addition, there appears to be done genetic predisposition to addiction too. In other words, you're right that social and psychological factors are important, but biology is a major part too, ESPECIALLY after one becomes dependent.
All of this is true but I think ultimately it has to boil down to personal responsibility.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:36 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:Yes, expecially since the illegality of it brings on a far more dangerous black market, AND makes people hide behaviors that could prevent some of the outcomes.
But isn't the real question " why is the government allowed to make some people's choice of oblivion illegal?"
quote:At the very least, let's not make it worse, and let's not make ineffective criminalization the other likely alternative.
My thoughts? Let nature take it's course and thin out the herd.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:37 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
How long ago was it when they had opioids over the counter? TBH it would be nice to have when you're going on a backcountry hunting trip.
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