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re: The Truth About Ahmaud Arbery
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:17 pm to davyjones
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:17 pm to davyjones
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there are a very surprising amount of posters amongst us who unapologetically have no issue with lethal force used against a thief or burglar
I wouldn’t do it but I don’t lose much sleep when it happens. I doubt I’m alone in that regard. This wasn’t a ten year old shoplifting a snickers, it was an adult most likely well on his way (if he wasn’t there already) to a life of disregarding the rights of others.
I also won’t lose any sleep when these two irresponsible gun owners are drained of their life savings defending their actions. I won’t lose sleep if they serve time, either. I don’t think it’s that difficult to separate the actions of the two parties and judge them independently, and I think they both brought this shitshow down on themselves.
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Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:18 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:Something that was not in the police report that day.
What is burglary?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:18 pm to JPLSU1981
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I heard the 911 call from the other neighbor... watched the construction house inside cam and outside yard sprinting
Then you have shite attention, because the caller said trespassing, And Arbery took nothing from the construction site. You are just imagining Arbery committing a felony To justify an idiotic position.
police reports indicate it was misdemeanor trespassing, the caller said trespassing, lack of any item being burgalarized suggests trespassing. If it doesnt sound look or smell like a duck, its probably not a duck.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:20 pm to Flats
Pretty much my thoughts.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:22 pm to AMS
quote:Burglary is the entrance into a building illegally with intent to commit a crime. It is also a felony.
Because Arbery was potentially trespassing (misdemeanor), not burglary
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And either way mcmichaels and son had no knowledge of the crime occurring. So no justification for a citizens arrest.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:22 pm to Bard
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When something like this happens though, there is this mad rush to deify the person killed while making the killer(s) out to be nothing less than the most vile of racists who specifically and routinely go out looking to kill blacks. In the rush of everyone to prove themselves by virtue signaling, if you don't immediately jump to one side then you are told you are immediately placed on the farthest extreme of the other side. There is no reasoned, middle ground.
This is a good post.
From the little I has seen and heard, I was totally expecting to see 2 redneck racist Nazi’s executing a black choir boy simply out for a jog.
That’s certainly not what I found when I started looking into it a little more closely.
I think there’s merit to debating/interpreting some of the legalities involved (citizens arrest, following, reasonable action)....I However was kind of appalled to find out this case isn’t close to Being what has been presented to me by the news and friends. The Atlanta mayor told me on TV today there was a “lynching.” Obviously the mayor hasn’t watched the actual video of the incident.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:23 pm to JPLSU1981
So two men who had no knowledge of any crime should make a citizen's arrest and shoot a man because hurr durr durr durr?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:25 pm to idlewatcher
It's because you're blatantly failing to grasp the relevant issues pertaining to the legality of the Mcmichaels' actions. Not that you're alone in this aspect, but you're simply zooming right to the sensational aspects of the matter. That could also be described as the emotional aspects.
That was a comparison using the distinct possibility that the father and son weren't justified in attempting a citizens arrest, in which case their attempt detention of deadman using a gun without a doubt will be deemed aggravated assault....a felony crime. In that case junior would be committing a criminal act using a gun. Thus have no ability to claim self-defense if and when someone attempts to disarm.
The bank robber - same exact scenario of committing a criminal act using a gun. Thus has no ability to claim self-defense if and when someone attempts to disarm.
I really don't know how to explain it any more clearly.
That was a comparison using the distinct possibility that the father and son weren't justified in attempting a citizens arrest, in which case their attempt detention of deadman using a gun without a doubt will be deemed aggravated assault....a felony crime. In that case junior would be committing a criminal act using a gun. Thus have no ability to claim self-defense if and when someone attempts to disarm.
The bank robber - same exact scenario of committing a criminal act using a gun. Thus has no ability to claim self-defense if and when someone attempts to disarm.
I really don't know how to explain it any more clearly.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:25 pm to Bard
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There is no reasoned, middle ground.
There rarely is when someone is murdered.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:27 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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Burglary is the entrance into a building illegally with intent to commit a crime. It is also a felony.
You should quote the Georgia simple burglary statute.
Also the little blurb at the end is NOT referencing the trespass that occurred that day.
The mcmichaels themselves never told the police they witnessed a crime taking place on the day of the incident.
The mcmichaels did not meet the standards set by law to allow for a citizen’s arrest. They admit this.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:29 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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Burglary is the entrance into a building illegally with intent to commit a crime. It is also a felony.
Its also not what arbery was suspected of by police. They said they were responding to trespassing. Unless you are saying police were wrong about what they were called about, but then how on earth would you expect mcmichaels to be ‘correct’?
And in response to your posted quote...that was saying mcmichaels was witness to the incident (homicide interaction). Mcmichaels saw who he suspected from break-ins in recent months running and decided to confront him. Mcmichaels had no knowledge of a felony currently occurring, as is required for a citizens arrest. You cant citizens arrest someone for past crimes.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:31 pm to AMS
To be fair, a citizens arrest was never made.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:31 pm to xGeauxLSUx
Saw him running...not saw him the act of committing a crime
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:32 pm to JPLSU1981
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To be fair, a citizens arrest was never made
You’re right, mcmichaels and son botched an illegal citizens arrest resulting in homicide. That’s felony murder brah. Thanks for agreeing.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:33 pm to JPLSU1981
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To be fair, a citizens arrest was never made.
Correct, what happened was most likely an aggravated assault followed by a murder after the person being assaulted exercised his ability to defend himself from said aggravated felony assault.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:35 pm to Korkstand
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The video clearly shows AA attempt to evade Jr
Right, which is why out of 15 possible directions he could have run he went straight to the truck
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:37 pm to AMS
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That’s felony murder bra
No way these guys go away for murder. Maybe they plea to something lesser, I guess I could see it, but there’s no way IMO they go to prison for murder.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:37 pm to AMS
Makes sense.
I initially thought the McMichaels were in the wrong but after seeing the burglary footage I was confused and thought they might have footing.
I initially thought the McMichaels were in the wrong but after seeing the burglary footage I was confused and thought they might have footing.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:41 pm to CDawson
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Right, which is why out of 15 possible directions he could have run he went straight to the truck
They had tried to stop him multiple times according to their own testimony. This time when Ahmaud comes up to the truck is the third time they had tried to stop him. So, he went plenty of other possible directions before we see this snippet of video.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 10:43 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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Makes sense.
I initially thought the McMichaels were in the wrong but after seeing the burglary footage I was confused and thought they might have footing.
I now understand I was missing a few pieces.
Well considering there was no burglary you missed Something, or you know more than the police, mcmichaels, and the person who called the police on Arbery.
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