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Posted on 1/19/21 at 9:48 pm to
Posted by whikyncoke
SW Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
90 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 9:48 pm to
The US is down 2 mmbo/d YoY don’t think it’s going to get back to 12-13 mmbo anytime soon with most of production coming from high decline shale a lot of which were uneconomical

Really the US oil industry has been the largest most effective non-profit organization as far as benefiting the public with low energy prices
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66990 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 9:51 pm to
That was going to be my question for you guys -- do you think that new peak in lostinbr's graph is sustainable or is it one last heroin blast shot in the arm from throwing a bunch of money at sources of production that will decline quickly?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 9:51 pm to
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Nailed it. Which is why I feel like I keep flip flopping back and forth between them


I think the PE plan now is to fund a portfolio of alt-cos and pray a spac wings in and bails them out before they try to make their money back with a 6% ROR.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17462 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 9:54 pm to
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Really the US oil industry has been the largest most effective non-profit organization as far as benefiting the public with low energy prices


There was an amazing guest on Slate Money who wrote a book about this. I can’t remember her name or book and can’t seem to find it, but she laid it out pretty well. Maybe someone else heard it and remembers.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 9:56 pm to
What is your definition of independence? If you still have to go into the market and buy oil what’s the point?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17462 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 9:57 pm to
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I think the PE plan now is to fund a portfolio of alt-cos and pray a spac wings in and bails them out before they try to make their money back with a 6% ROR.


I finally gave up on the PE backed o&g and renewable startups mid year and just said screw it I’ll pretend to be retired early and play around with utility companies for a while.
Posted by whikyncoke
SW Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
90 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 9:57 pm to
I think we’ll get down to 9-10 mmbo/d sometime this year and that’s probably sustainable at 50-60$/bbl, really need some higher prices to break out of that range

Associated gas will fall with falling oil but if we stay in the 2.50-3 range we can sustain 100 bcf/d

This is probably short-mid term eventually we will run out of locations but may find some more too
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 9:57 pm to
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Really the US oil industry has been the largest most effective non-profit organization as far as benefiting the public with low energy prices



Only winners were the early movers that flipped acreage and the American consumer. Shareholders got torched...billions incinerated.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:00 pm to
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I think we’ll get down to 9-10 mmbo/d sometime this year and that’s probably sustainable at 50-60$/bbl, really need some higher prices to break out of that range

Associated gas will fall with falling oil but if we stay in the 2.50-3 range we can sustain 100 bcf/d

This is probably short-mid term eventually we will run out of locations but may find some more too


Don’t disagree, but I don’t see any bull case for gas. They’re turning on 4 well pads in the Haynesville at 200mmcf/d...at this dog price.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:04 pm to
The PEs made out like robbers for sure. Same is now happening with the early movers on solar who invested right as the O&M (and panel) costs dropped dramatically.

Whoever is left investing in O&G, is going to be slapping monstrous rates on future investments.
Posted by whikyncoke
SW Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
90 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:07 pm to
Yea the only real short term bull gas case is how quickly does the demand rebound which its starting to vs drilling lag based on how cash strapped the companies that own the Marcellus/Haynesville are but if there is a run up it’ll be short lived unless India starts using propane instead of wood to cook
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:12 pm to
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There was an amazing guest on Slate Money who wrote a book about this. I can’t remember her name or book and can’t seem to find it, but she laid it out pretty well. Maybe someone else heard it and remembers.



I’d bet it was Bethany McLean...she broke the Enron story and coauthored “The Smartest Guys In The Room”.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17462 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 10:22 pm to
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I’d bet it was Bethany McLean


That’s her. It was a segment about her book Saudi America.
Posted by RBTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
9076 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:33 pm to
Posted by obdobd918
Member since Jun 2020
3228 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:42 pm to
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This NEXT administration is about to take that away!


It was nice while it lasted. Hiden will make America dependent again. Hiden is MADA!
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31262 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:57 pm to
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$3.50/gal for gas is sure going to be nice for my bonus in a few years.

What if nobody is buying gas, because they don't need it, because they don't have jobs to go to, and unemployment has run out, so they can't afford it?
Posted by kingfish225
Member since Dec 2013
578 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 12:57 am to
Amazing how little you actually know

LINK

LINK

The second one is from 14 years ago.

Obama’s been talking about this for years. His administration set us on a path to reach it. It slowed a bit under trump but eventually got there

Odd how facts don’t align with your perception of reality
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73703 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:05 am to
Are you really trying to claim presidents play some huge role in energy deficits?

We have been on a path to independence for a looong time

Obama, Bush, Trump, etc....they didn’t do shite
Posted by trilltiger
LA
Member since Nov 2007
2685 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:06 am to
If we can spin a (13ft tall by 40ft in length) rectangle craft end to end so fast that it flies and gives and illusion of a cube in a sphere, we don’t need oil.
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