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re: The whole "white man stole the Indian land" crap...
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:08 pm to asurob1
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:08 pm to asurob1
The new crop of posters here get dumber and dumber.
i do agree with you that the bar of conservative posters keeps getting lower and lower. but so does the left.
and any time i hear an indian get mad about white man stealing their land.
GFY native americans. sorry your tribe lost. I have 0 animosity towards native americans, but you took the land from somebody else. stop using a shite argument.
i do agree with you that the bar of conservative posters keeps getting lower and lower. but so does the left.
and any time i hear an indian get mad about white man stealing their land.
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The Arikara arrived by AD 1500, followed by the Cheyenne, Crow, Kiowa and Pawnee. The Lakota (also known as Sioux) arrived from Minnesota in the 18th century and drove out the other tribes, who moved west.[6] They claimed the land, which they called ?e Sápa (Black Mountains). The mountains commonly became known as the Black Hills.
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Intertribal warfare was intense throughout the Great Plains during the 1700s and 1800s, and archeological data indicate that warfare was present prior to this time. Human skeletons from as early as the Woodland Period (250 B.C. to A.D. 900) show occasional marks of violence, but conflict intensified during and after the thirteenth century, by which time farmers were well established in the Plains. After 1250, villages were often destroyed by fire, and human skeletons regularly show marks of violence, scalping, and other mutilations. Warfare was most intense along the Missouri River in the present-day Dakotas, where ancestors of the Mandans, Hidatsas, and Arikaras were at war with each other, and towns inhabited by as many as 1,000 people were often fortified with ditch and palisade defenses. Excavations at the Crow Creek site, an ancestral Arikara town dated to 1325, revealed the bodies of 486 people–men, women, and children, essentially the town's entire population–in a mass grave. These individuals had been scalped and dismembered, and their bones showed clear evidence of severe malnutrition, suggesting that violence resulted from competition for food, probably due to local overpopulation and climatic deterioration. Violence among farmers continued from the 1500s through the late 1800s.
GFY native americans. sorry your tribe lost. I have 0 animosity towards native americans, but you took the land from somebody else. stop using a shite argument.
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Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:08 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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The Spanish pretty much completely wiped out the Mayans and the Incans. Then moved north and were stomped out by the Comanches.
Fair enough. My point is there was more co-mingling. That’s why you have mestizos. Can’t really say that with respect to the other European powers.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:09 pm to midsouthvol
It's a very complicated situation. Some land was bought and sold. At the same time, the US Government often went back on treaties signed with Native American nations. In fact, of the 500 treaties signed between the US Gov and Native American tribes, nearly all were broken in some way, a fact which contributes to the narrative that the land was "stolen."
The history of Native Americans is ignored and people aren't interested in what life was like before European colonization. Native Americans had complex civilizations, earthwork projects, domesticated numerous plants and were in general as advanced as medieval peoples elsewhere in the world. Without the diseases hitting Native American populations between the first and second waves of colonization, I think Native Americans would have resisted efforts of settler colonialism more successfully. Cortes's expedition in Mexico relied entirely on the goodwill of the Tlaxacans, who had Cortes's men surrounded and were going to kill them until Cortes's interpreter interceded and helped the Tlaxacans understand that the Spanish were enemies of the Aztecs as well. The history of the Americas is littered with episodes such as this which I could go into more detail, but I don't think people would be open to such inquires.
The history of Native Americans is ignored and people aren't interested in what life was like before European colonization. Native Americans had complex civilizations, earthwork projects, domesticated numerous plants and were in general as advanced as medieval peoples elsewhere in the world. Without the diseases hitting Native American populations between the first and second waves of colonization, I think Native Americans would have resisted efforts of settler colonialism more successfully. Cortes's expedition in Mexico relied entirely on the goodwill of the Tlaxacans, who had Cortes's men surrounded and were going to kill them until Cortes's interpreter interceded and helped the Tlaxacans understand that the Spanish were enemies of the Aztecs as well. The history of the Americas is littered with episodes such as this which I could go into more detail, but I don't think people would be open to such inquires.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:09 pm to Clark14
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I don't think the Indians were bothering anybody when they got invaded.
Maybe each other? Are you that dense of human history?
Do you think the Desert Dwelling tribes of the Papago's and the Yaqui's did not want the better hunting land that the Apache's and Navajo had?
I love American Indians and donate to several of their schools but I also realize they were/are human and were fighting, enslaving, butchering and conquering each other long before European's got here.
See Aztec's, Mayan's, Attakapa's, Commanche's, Huron's, Mohawk's et al. Warriors that took pride in defeating, butchering and enslaving their enemies
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:10 pm to midsouthvol
European people were in North America before the Asians (Native Americans). Europeans were pretty well wiped out by the Native Americans.
A series of European-style tools dating from twenty-six-thousand to nineteen-thousand years ago have been discovered in six separate locations along the east coast of the United States.
A series of European-style tools dating from twenty-six-thousand to nineteen-thousand years ago have been discovered in six separate locations along the east coast of the United States.
This post was edited on 9/19/18 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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The history of the Americas is littered with episodes such as this which I could go into more detail, but I don't think people would be open to such inquires.
i read Howard Zinn as well.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:12 pm to tilco
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we did show up and take that shite
That's just the way the fricking world worked up until a century or two ago, tbh.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:13 pm to DonChowder
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You're dumb.
What are you basing this claim on...The Nobel Savage fallacy?
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:14 pm to 3nOut
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i read Howard Zinn as well.
I've actually never read Zinn. My interest in Native American history began with the book by Cabez de Vaca. There is another book written by one of the members of Cortes's party that is among the most interesting books I've read. After the Tlaxacans spare the Spaniards, they take them to their homes, where they produce the bones of giants, and the narrator doesn't say shite about the damn giant bones.
I'm trying to find the passage but that was the moment I became really interested.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:15 pm to Clark14
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I don't think the Indians were bothering anybody when they got invaded.
You think they were sitting around smoking peace pipes and making dream catchers until we showed up? They were in constant conflict. We just won.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:16 pm to Clark14
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I don't think the Indians were bothering anybody when they got invaded.
bullshite. They'd butcher any other tribe if it meant survival for them.
Stop being so gullible.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:16 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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He points out that the world that was when the Europeans came over was one of conquest and blunder and that the Native Americans were no different than the rest of the world in that sense. They were constantly warring with and conquering each other
We were the only ones strong enough to keep it.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:17 pm to coonasswhodat
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First of, by referring to them as “savages”. Not very cool.
Depends, doesn't it?? How do you define "savages"
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:19 pm to Clark14
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I don't think the Indians were bothering anybody when they got invaded.
Shoulda armed themselves...….
It's why we keep the strongest military on earth.
Now wars of conquest are immoral and need to be paid back after 100's of years....
frick off.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:20 pm to asurob1
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The new crop of posters here get dumber and dumber.
Ummmm....you're not new here, soo...
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:20 pm to zatetic
(European people were in North America before the Asians (Native Americans).) - Quote
Solutrean's.
A very interesting fact that is ignored by the SJW historians and Smithsonian.
Solutrean's.
A very interesting fact that is ignored by the SJW historians and Smithsonian.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:21 pm to Clark14
quote:Other indians?
I don't think the Indians were bothering anybody when they got invaded.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:21 pm to northshorebamaman
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They were in constant conflict. We just won.
this. don't get me wrong. i have a lot of sympathy. the movie hostiles broke my heart last year. but when people play the sympathy card for native americans acting like they were sitting around smoking peace pipes and americans just came and stole their shite are simply gullible. America expanded, they responded. There were definitely innocents lost on both sides.
there were conflicts that could have been avoided and there are American military leaders that are burning in hell for their mistreatment of those people.
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:21 pm to midsouthvol
quote:Eat a bag of shite soaked dicks.
midsouthvol
GTFO
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:21 pm to Speckhunter2012
Are you this dense.
I wasn't talking about Indians warring among themselves in a land they were indigenous to.
I was talking about how they weren't wandering the world conquering other worlds that they might discover.
Pay attention..
I wasn't talking about Indians warring among themselves in a land they were indigenous to.
I was talking about how they weren't wandering the world conquering other worlds that they might discover.
Pay attention..
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