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re: They Call Us Fascists, Why?
Posted on 8/14/24 at 11:38 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 8/14/24 at 11:38 pm to Lima Whiskey
Fun fact: NAZI’s were socialists who outlawed free speech and banned guns.
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Posted on 8/14/24 at 11:41 pm to prplngldtigr
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Corporations can do what the government cannot.
Hence the DEI initiatives and forced adherence to government mandates.
Hallmark definition.
Posted on 8/14/24 at 11:45 pm to Lima Whiskey
For all their failures .. Dems do know how to play offense.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:04 am to FreddieMac
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I do not think he is correct.
I know it is not correct.
Fascism would be LEFT of Liberal. It may be just left or right of Socialism but is definitely not to the right of todays D's.
It is impossible to have both the concept of Least Government, the farther you go right and equate that with any Marxist Ideology. And Fascism IS a simple evolution or adaptation due to the failures of true Communism and extreme left/authoritarianism.
How can someone who supports LESS Government Regulations and Control over the People be authoritarian? Stupid.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:10 am to Speckhunter2012
Lack of intelligence regarding history is a major factor. The vast majority of those using the term can't define it.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:42 am to Big Jim Slade
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Projection, that’s why.
It's literally the only skill they've mastered outside of untamed degenerancy.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:29 am to Lima Whiskey
Because labeling is all they have.
With labels they can keep their own believers in check and in line. Their believers fear labels being used against them.
With labels they can dehumanize those who criticize them.
With powerful enough platforms to broadcast the labels.. woke Democrats or permanent government can guide the masses.
Think about how neither the Biden campaign of 2020 or the Kamala campaign this year has had to have legit policies. They would just say whatever random shite they wanted... and 10s of millions of people would fall in line, because to not fall in line would mean they would be labeled as this or that.
With labels they can keep their own believers in check and in line. Their believers fear labels being used against them.
With labels they can dehumanize those who criticize them.
With powerful enough platforms to broadcast the labels.. woke Democrats or permanent government can guide the masses.
Think about how neither the Biden campaign of 2020 or the Kamala campaign this year has had to have legit policies. They would just say whatever random shite they wanted... and 10s of millions of people would fall in line, because to not fall in line would mean they would be labeled as this or that.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:45 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
Nazi Germany loosened restrictions on firearms
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:48 am to Lima Whiskey
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Nazi Germany loosened restrictions on firearms
This is such a disingenuous and skewed statement.
To clarify.....They eventually loosened gun restrictions to only those who joined the Nazi Party. Jews and those who opposed the Nazi party were refused gun ownership(ignoring the fact that they were put in fricking concentration camps).
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 4:52 am
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:51 am to pankReb
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This is such a disingenuous and skewed statement.
They relaxed Weimar era restrictions.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:52 am to Lima Whiskey
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They relaxed Weimar era restrictions.
Keep going......don't hide from the details.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 6:01 am to FreddieMac
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I do not think he is correct.
What's not correct is that graph. Fascism is generally associated with government authoritarianism propped up by strong nationalism, but that's not limited to a wing of the US political spectrum. Communism is far from "Equality in Society" as it demands a strong, central government not only plan and control the means of production but to enforce that control through a strong domestic military or national police force.
If you think about it, neither Socialism nor Communism can come about without Authoritarianism as both require a strong, central government to enforce these philosophies as those philosophies are counter to human nature's desire to accumulate things for themselves and/or family (money, power, land, food, etc).
Posted on 8/15/24 at 6:02 am to TheRouxGuru
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Seems like everyone has a different definition for everything
However it’s defined, there’s something different in control of the U.S. and other western nations in this present modern day.
Traditional news media willingly taking a dive in viewership to promote a common message.
Companies (like the H-D example in the other thread) willingly turning their backs on long-time customers to promote a common message.
Long-time Western Allied governments all lock-step in promoting the exact same goals/messages upon their respective societies.
People in power throughout western nations working actively for means to silence any voices of dissent calling them “threats to democracy”.
Even something as mundane as late night TV talk shows nowdays being very politically driven in nature (one sidedly so) and selective in wrapping “comedy” around a message.
And the list goes on…
These things are not normal and no longer representative of the western world many of us remember growing up in. A world that was never mistaken for perfect but felt a lot freer as it continued to try and get better.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 6:07 am to Lima Whiskey
It’s communists worst nightmare. If someone calls you a fascist, have comfort you are on the correct path.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 6:17 am to Lima Whiskey
Fascism is an economic theory/principle Here is the definition. You tell me who the fascists really are. The equate Hilter’s goal of a master race to fascism because they are too fricking stupid to separate the economic principle from a mad man because that’s how their collective minds process shite. Unbeknownst to them, they share a lot of Hitler’s beliefs.
“ Fascists have commonly sought to eliminate the autonomy of large-scale capitalism and relegate it to the state. However, fascism does support private property rights and the existence of a market economy and very wealthy individuals. Thus, fascist ideology included both pro-capitalist and anti-capitalist elements.”
“ Fascists have commonly sought to eliminate the autonomy of large-scale capitalism and relegate it to the state. However, fascism does support private property rights and the existence of a market economy and very wealthy individuals. Thus, fascist ideology included both pro-capitalist and anti-capitalist elements.”
Posted on 8/15/24 at 6:20 am to FreddieMac
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Fascism is just monarchy that replaces a king with a dictator.
A perfect example of someone who has no clue where fascism is rooted. It’s not in authoritarianism but economics.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 6:46 am to jimmy the leg
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I would argue that the modern left is the bastardized political entity spawned from a Facism/Communism marriage
I’ve had similar thoughts, and have thought the political spectrum should not be represented linearly but rather circularly with Fascism and communism next to each other on the circle. Of course the example below is bullshite because communism is a theory and has never been truly realized.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 6:51 am to Lima Whiskey
1. they are running a 100 year old playbook from pre WW2
2. Every cause needs a boogey man to convince people to rally behind it.
2. Every cause needs a boogey man to convince people to rally behind it.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 6:55 am to jimmy the leg
Jimmy The Leg has the most concise definition.
The dems call the GOP fascist because it is projection though.
It is the left/Dems that are using corporations to push the liberal agenda whether it is censorship, DEI, etc.
This is the definition of fascism. They are the ones doing it but they blame the other side of what they themselves are doing.
This puts the accused group on defense and turns the scrutiny onto that party and away from the accuser, which is really the one doing the act.
The dems call the GOP fascist because it is projection though.
It is the left/Dems that are using corporations to push the liberal agenda whether it is censorship, DEI, etc.
This is the definition of fascism. They are the ones doing it but they blame the other side of what they themselves are doing.
This puts the accused group on defense and turns the scrutiny onto that party and away from the accuser, which is really the one doing the act.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 7:00 am to Lima Whiskey
My answer was going to be, because they have no idea what it means. It doesn't mean anything and never has.
Americans learning about WWI and II know of communism and school books 50 years ago had only 'fascism' to offer as an undefined opposite. Since hardly anyone in this country on the left and middle are truly literate, they just use the word and accept this concept blindly.
Americans learning about WWI and II know of communism and school books 50 years ago had only 'fascism' to offer as an undefined opposite. Since hardly anyone in this country on the left and middle are truly literate, they just use the word and accept this concept blindly.
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