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re: Things Libertarians need to realize...
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:41 am to Joshjrn
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:41 am to Joshjrn
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4) The Christian right is fighting the same battles on the same side as Libertarians on 1 and 2
In my experience, this isn't accurate.
You confuse politicians with every day working people. Is every Alabama fan a crazed lunatic because one poisoned some famous trees in Auburn?
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:42 am to WikiTiger
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You need to expand your readings.
This.
Libertarianism requires a lot of critical thinking, study and debate. Don't know how old Bama is but he is having some cognitive dissonance. He thinks he understands things that he does not yet understand.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:44 am to TK421
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I honestly think this was a major reason Ron Paul never saw any real success in his presidential campaigns. His supporters were unbearable.
Obnoxious is more like it.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:49 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Obnoxious is more like it.
This is very true. If Rand runs for Prez I hope they learned something.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:50 am to bamafan1001
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You confuse politicians with every day working people. Is every Alabama fan a crazed lunatic because one poisoned some famous trees in Auburn?
No. In your experience, do evangelicals favor cuts in social security, Medicare, military spending, or foreign aid?
In my experience, they don't.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:51 am to Zach
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You need to expand your readings.
This.
Libertarianism requires a lot of critical thinking, study and debate. Don't know how old Bama is but he is having some cognitive dissonance. He thinks he understands things that he does not yet understand.
I understand a lot more than you think I do.
What does it say about the Libertarian cause that it requires extensive reading to understand it? Its not other people's problem, its Libertarian's problem that they have close to 0 influence in where the government is going.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:51 am to Zach
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This is very true. If Rand runs for Prez I hope they learned something.
I hope so, too. I like Rand.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:54 am to Joshjrn
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You confuse politicians with every day working people. Is every Alabama fan a crazed lunatic because one poisoned some famous trees in Auburn?
No. In your experience, do evangelicals favor cuts in social security, Medicare, military spending, or foreign aid?
In my experience, they don't.
Your response suggests my earlier hypothesis that perception is more powerful than reality, is in fact correct.
Thats the point of this thread. There is way too much misperception on both sides of the right but we are fighting the same fight. Dismissing your ally as an enemy is a losing strategy.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:54 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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WikiTiger
You've pretty much proved the OP's point on item No. 5.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:56 am to bamafan1001
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What does it say about the Libertarian cause that it requires extensive reading to understand it?
Because critical thinking is not natural to 90 percent of the population. They do not THINK. They FEEL.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 11:56 am to bamafan1001
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You confuse politicians with every day working people.
Do you live in Alabama? The freakin Public Service Commissioner ran a "pro-life" campaign. The candidates in the last governor election worked their butts off to "out-Jesus" each other. Go look at the legislative agenda...10 Commandments monuments, Teaching of traditions of "Winter Celebrations", Laws regarding "Wine Tasting Rooms", Same Sex marriage stuff, etc. The religious conservatives in Alabama vote about as far from libertarian principles as possible.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:04 pm to Zach
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What does it say about the Libertarian cause that it requires extensive reading to understand it?
Because critical thinking is not natural to 90 percent of the population. They do not THINK. They FEEL.
That doesnt answer the question Zach. You just made a statement that had nothing to do with the question. If 90% of the country feels instead of thinks how is that going to change by them reading?
If Libertarians are not up for advancing their cause, what are they? Just more self-thought intellectual elitists not interested in changing anything but instead only interested in maintaining their self appointed intellectual superiority.
You know what I say is true
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:10 pm to ForeLSU
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Do you live in Alabama?
I do live in Alabama and I am Christian. I also support Liberty and I know other Christians that feel the same way. If there some of us already out there than that means there could be more converted if an effort was made. THAT WAS THE POINT OF MY OP.
Do you really think a good way to win people over to your cause is to to declare: "come back when your reasoning skills have improved and when you have read as much as me"?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:13 pm to MagicCityBlazer
quote:Most of the friends I have anything to do with are Christian and many are hardcore. I have never once heard one of them say this.
.Not in my experience. In fact I know some hardcore Christians that think everything should close on Sunday, by force if need be, and that alcohol should be banned in all forms on Sunday.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:15 pm to bamafan1001
quote:I heard someone the other day describe the Christian "right" person as a Libertarian with children.
Many on the Christian right are more Libertarian than you probably think
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:26 pm to Diamondawg
This has been a sad thread. I honestly expected better responses than: "you just dont understand," "you should read more," and "you are wrong, period"
Its like a football coach running the same perfectly designed plays that fail every single time because he never takes the time to teach his players how to run them.
The other teams with far worse plays keep pounding that coach's team but the coach refuses to change because it's obviously the player's fault that they cant execute the perfectly designed plays.
Its like a football coach running the same perfectly designed plays that fail every single time because he never takes the time to teach his players how to run them.
The other teams with far worse plays keep pounding that coach's team but the coach refuses to change because it's obviously the player's fault that they cant execute the perfectly designed plays.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:30 pm to bamafan1001
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:31 pm to bamafan1001
Well its kinda your own fault for posting such conclusory statements in your OP. You acted as if social issues and the government overreaching are two totally separate issues and they aren't.
Many self-described libertarians don't understand what that really means. The power should be in the hands of private citizens unless their actions harm others. Constitutional bans on gay marriage is an easy example of citizens actually giving the government more power while taking it away from private citizens.
Many self-described libertarians don't understand what that really means. The power should be in the hands of private citizens unless their actions harm others. Constitutional bans on gay marriage is an easy example of citizens actually giving the government more power while taking it away from private citizens.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:34 pm to bamafan1001
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If 90% of the country feels instead of thinks how is that going to change by them by reading?
I can't believe you actually wrote that sentence. I know you can read because you have a computer. Don't you read books?
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If Libertarians are not up for advancing their cause, what are they?
Philosophically consistent. Our litmus test is freedom of the individual.
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Just more self-thought intellectual elitists not interested in changing anything but instead only interested in maintaining their self appointed intellectual superiority.
Ah, libertarians give you IQ envy. How sad.
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You know what I say is true
No, it's not.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 12:44 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Constitutional bans on gay marriage
how many libertarians do you think support these?
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