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re: To the truly independent voters of the board
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:28 am to Homesick Tiger
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:28 am to Homesick Tiger
Patiently waiting for Howard Shultz to announce his run as an independent.
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Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:28 am to Homesick Tiger
I would consider myself independent. I got tired of the Russia stuff as they just got bogged down in something that didn’t have enough there to truly support that much outrage. I can understand that before the report came out. After that, they should have simmered down.
As far as what’s going on now, I read the transcript of the call and didn’t think it was as bad as they made it out to be. I didn’t like him asking about Biden, but it wasn’t a smoking gun. The whistleblower complaint is another issue. If the issues in the complaint are true, and that’s a big if right now and is something that has to be investigated, then I have real concerns about the fact they moved the report of the call from the normal place it would be stored to somewhere else that is locked down as that shows they felt guilt about the call and that maybe I misunderstood the intent of the call.
Lastly, I will have major issues if the White House stonewalls the investigation and refuses to cooperate as I believe Congress has a right to oversight. In the end though, I believe they have to have more than just the overview of the call though as that’s not enough in my mind.
As far as what’s going on now, I read the transcript of the call and didn’t think it was as bad as they made it out to be. I didn’t like him asking about Biden, but it wasn’t a smoking gun. The whistleblower complaint is another issue. If the issues in the complaint are true, and that’s a big if right now and is something that has to be investigated, then I have real concerns about the fact they moved the report of the call from the normal place it would be stored to somewhere else that is locked down as that shows they felt guilt about the call and that maybe I misunderstood the intent of the call.
Lastly, I will have major issues if the White House stonewalls the investigation and refuses to cooperate as I believe Congress has a right to oversight. In the end though, I believe they have to have more than just the overview of the call though as that’s not enough in my mind.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:32 am to Homesick Tiger
I am maybe an independent, I don’t really just love either party, but the older I get the more I’ve traveled from left to center. I think everyone has a little hypocrite in them and for sure both parties have hypocritical stances but the current left takes it to a whole new level. I get dumbfounded by both parties thinking I should give a shite about one side doing something but not give a shite when the other side does something similarly crappy.
Since Trump took office I certainly haven’t moved back to the left. I’m not his biggest fan but I am 100% anti-socialism which is seemingly pretty much the bulk of the dems now,
Since Trump took office I certainly haven’t moved back to the left. I’m not his biggest fan but I am 100% anti-socialism which is seemingly pretty much the bulk of the dems now,
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:34 am to Homesick Tiger
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What is your take on all of the current theatrics currently going on over the last three years?
The most ridiculous shite I've seen in my lifetime. Democrats are apeshit crazy.
I doubt I will vote in the presidential election, doesn't matter...Trump will carry the State.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:36 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:Some recognize that there are not only two destinations on the planet and are brave eough to head cross-country, if neither roadway seems to be going the right direction.
When you are trying to get to point B from point A and you come to a fork in the road that neither one appeases you, you still have to make a choice if you want to continue the journey. Some decide to just stay at the fork.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 8:20 am
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:36 am to Homesick Tiger
You can hear the independent voters in public and while meeting with other people. I’ve listened to them without interjecting much
There was concern with the Mueller report. In the aftermath, they have became way more skeptical of following claims and resulting nothingness. Now the claims are resulting in them getting tired of it and numbness to it.
And they are also pretty happy with the economy in which everyone feels even if they don’t follow the news closely. And the Dems must be hearing the same thing and that is why “recession” was being pushed so hard just in the past month.
Those are my observations.
There was concern with the Mueller report. In the aftermath, they have became way more skeptical of following claims and resulting nothingness. Now the claims are resulting in them getting tired of it and numbness to it.
And they are also pretty happy with the economy in which everyone feels even if they don’t follow the news closely. And the Dems must be hearing the same thing and that is why “recession” was being pushed so hard just in the past month.
Those are my observations.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:36 am to Smedium27
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Democratic leaders pray that the American people are uneducated so they can falsely claim things against Trump. The more dependent you are, the more you NEED the government. See the pattern...
I don't think he is able to grasp that concept.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:40 am to Homesick Tiger
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What is your take on all of the current theatrics currently going on over the last three years? What exactly will make you vote the way you do in 2020 based on what we know today? You guys are the true deciders of an election in nearly all cases and I'm just wondering what criteria will be considered in casting your vote.
The Dem base trying so hard to believe every scrap of innuendo they are fed has been almost comical to watch while at the same time the tRumpkins complete abandonment of principle has been somewhat disappointing to see.
Whomever has an actual plan to sort some of our nations ills and is the most honest liar will get my vote in 2020.
At this point no declared candidate fits the bill so I will probably just drink myself to oblivion on election day.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:42 am to Homesick Tiger
I became an Independent back in 2004. Couldn't stand the thought of having an R next to my name anymore after the Patriot act and the overreach into the personal lives of Americans under the guise of "safety".
Imagine my surprise when Obama gets elected and continues to use the Patriot act.
No change came.
These days, the Democrats have turned into a caricature of themselves.
I find it hilarious that Trump frustrates them and they fumble so damn much. They bring it on themselves.
The only Democrat I'd vote for in the presidential election is Tulsi. But she's getting railroaded by the DNC, so expect another puppet on the ticket in 2020. It definitely won't be a principled Democrat.
I see a huge 2020 victory for Trump. Dems can't handle Trump honestly. That's why they keep making shite up to try to impeach him.
The part the Democrats don't understand is attempting to impeach Trump only will make his base stronger.
They only need to look at how much Clinton is revered by the left to understand this.
But they won't and they kill their 2020 chances by being shortsighted.
Further, they've made me feel bad about a guy (Trump) who I shouldn't feel bad about with all the bullshite they pull.
I'm not the only one.
Imagine my surprise when Obama gets elected and continues to use the Patriot act.
No change came.
These days, the Democrats have turned into a caricature of themselves.
I find it hilarious that Trump frustrates them and they fumble so damn much. They bring it on themselves.
The only Democrat I'd vote for in the presidential election is Tulsi. But she's getting railroaded by the DNC, so expect another puppet on the ticket in 2020. It definitely won't be a principled Democrat.
I see a huge 2020 victory for Trump. Dems can't handle Trump honestly. That's why they keep making shite up to try to impeach him.
The part the Democrats don't understand is attempting to impeach Trump only will make his base stronger.
They only need to look at how much Clinton is revered by the left to understand this.
But they won't and they kill their 2020 chances by being shortsighted.
Further, they've made me feel bad about a guy (Trump) who I shouldn't feel bad about with all the bullshite they pull.
I'm not the only one.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:43 am to SleauxPlay
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Perhaps the most impressive aspect of his presidency has been his ability to cast the media as the enemy,
That isn't his ability. That is the media's ability to make themselves the enemy. All they had to do was report the news fairly and let the people decide what it means. Instead they show no interest in informing the American public and every interest of manipulating the American public and molding every story to fit their political agenda. The only thing Trump did was punch back instead of sitting back and taking it like every Republican with a shred of political influence in Washington D.C. has done for the last thirty years.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:45 am to piggilicious
Come on babe, you're almost there. You're welcome on the conservative side.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:50 am to Mizzou4ever
I’ve always felt a little too freaky or maybe just voyeuristically freaky to be a true conservative but perhaps that’s just my feelings when hearing the word ‘conservative’ though. Iow, I sometimes enjoy the absurd stuff just not in politics. 
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:53 am to Mizzou4ever
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You're welcome on the conservative side.
If only there was one
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:54 am to SleauxPlay
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Perhaps the most impressive aspect of his presidency has been his ability to cast the media as the enemy, giving his moronic base license to never rationally evaluate any piece of information they find distasteful.
The right didn't invent the concept of deconstruction and delegitimizing institutions, dude
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:55 am to Homesick Tiger
What’s an “independent voter”?
Posted on 9/27/19 at 7:59 am to SCLibertarian
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I have never voted Republican in a general election since I've been able to vote. I voted Libertarian in 2004, wrote in Ron Paul in 2008 and voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 and 2016. I will be voting for Trump in 2020.
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SCLibertarian
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:00 am to Y.A. Tittle
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What’s an “independent voter”?
Good question. In today's world it's someone not on the far left bandwagon or the Trump bandwagon.Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:00 am to Homesick Tiger
Throughout my 30 year voting history, I have voted GOP probably 90 or 95% of the time. I originally considered myself a Republican, but (as the kabuki theater in Washington has become increasingly ridiculous over the decades) I have become more likely to describe myself as a Republican-leaning libertarian and more inclined to vote LPA in the occasional race. This was essentially a protest vote (the LPA is a joke, for different reasons) in a state that was solidly-Red and unlikely to elect a Dem, regardless of my vote.
The behavior of both parties over the past three years has increased my disgust with the two party system and made it far more likely that I will vote LPA in almost ALL races that the GOP cannot conceivably lose. I will still vote GOP over the Dem in almost any close races.
The sole historical exception has been the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, where I see too many “law and order” Republicans as being far too inclined to trample the civil liberties of criminal defendants. In those races, I have split my votes probably about 50:50 for the last twenty years or so. Ironically, the GOP seems to be running fewer “law and order” ideologues for this Court, and I will probably vote for fewer Dems in those races.
Lastly, I cannot imagine the Dem candidate who would be bad enough to EVER induce me to cast a vote for Dan Patrick.
To quote an earlier poster
TLDNR. The last three years just demonstrate the continuing devolution that has been taking place in politics for decades.
The behavior of both parties over the past three years has increased my disgust with the two party system and made it far more likely that I will vote LPA in almost ALL races that the GOP cannot conceivably lose. I will still vote GOP over the Dem in almost any close races.
The sole historical exception has been the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, where I see too many “law and order” Republicans as being far too inclined to trample the civil liberties of criminal defendants. In those races, I have split my votes probably about 50:50 for the last twenty years or so. Ironically, the GOP seems to be running fewer “law and order” ideologues for this Court, and I will probably vote for fewer Dems in those races.
Lastly, I cannot imagine the Dem candidate who would be bad enough to EVER induce me to cast a vote for Dan Patrick.
To quote an earlier poster
quote:
The Dem base trying so hard to believe every scrap of innuendo they are fed has been almost comical to watch while at the same time the tRumpkins complete abandonment of principle has been ... disappointing to see.
TLDNR. The last three years just demonstrate the continuing devolution that has been taking place in politics for decades.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 8:51 am
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:02 am to Homesick Tiger
I rarely trust anyone who TELLS ME they’re “independent.” I just always wonder, of what and, as opposed to whom.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:05 am to Homesick Tiger
The country needs a viable 3rd party to keep this two party extremist rhetoric in check. We don’t have that currently, and it’s gotten out of control.
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