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re: Trump going after social conservatives again
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:49 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:49 pm to BuckyCheese
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to make my own decisions
So what is your decision based on? You’re fine with abortion but there’s a magic line crossed where you’re not; what is that line? What objective facts did you use to figure out where it is?
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:52 pm to aubie101
You don't understand that the reason religion came about was to control the populace.
You are thoroughly controlled by a mystical being (and the very profitable enterprise that goes with it) that you will never see or speak with.
You are thoroughly controlled by a mystical being (and the very profitable enterprise that goes with it) that you will never see or speak with.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:53 pm to aubie101
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We maybe small, but you are absolutely screwed without us. Good luck with this stance.
Sorry I draw the line at rape and incest. I also find that the religious right tends to want more government too, just government they agree with.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:54 pm to burger bearcat
Why the huge OMG, Trump isn't holy like Pence melt?
Abortion is settled and was put back to States rights where it belongs.
There are establishment that want abortion banned nationwide period. (SEE Pence & others)
Trump is clarifying his position. He has always been pro life, except for rape, incest, or life of the mother.
If a doctor claims the mother will die and it is nothing an emergency C-section won't handle. The doctor better be telling the truth. Or it is on him or her and the choice of the mother-not you.
Where have you been? The evangelicals don't want a Preacher Pence or Santorum-they are fake.
What is your definition of social conservative?
Are you one of the posters here that would never vote for Ric Grenell for President because he is gay? It isn't social conservatism it is willful ignorance. Trump is pro LGBTQ.
You can let the gay people be gay people. This does not mean all gays are for grooming children.
This is where so-called Christians cross the line of hating people because they are gay. You are not God.
A certain moral fortitude is a good thing; but if you want a Preacher Fake Pence type so be it. But you are in a minority.
Abortion is settled and was put back to States rights where it belongs.
There are establishment that want abortion banned nationwide period. (SEE Pence & others)
Trump is clarifying his position. He has always been pro life, except for rape, incest, or life of the mother.
If a doctor claims the mother will die and it is nothing an emergency C-section won't handle. The doctor better be telling the truth. Or it is on him or her and the choice of the mother-not you.
Where have you been? The evangelicals don't want a Preacher Pence or Santorum-they are fake.
What is your definition of social conservative?
Are you one of the posters here that would never vote for Ric Grenell for President because he is gay? It isn't social conservatism it is willful ignorance. Trump is pro LGBTQ.
You can let the gay people be gay people. This does not mean all gays are for grooming children.
This is where so-called Christians cross the line of hating people because they are gay. You are not God.
A certain moral fortitude is a good thing; but if you want a Preacher Fake Pence type so be it. But you are in a minority.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:56 pm to Flats
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You’re fine with abortion but there’s a magic line crossed where you’re not; what is that line?
Abortion used as birth control is wrong, but the line is the cases of rape (not everyone wants to raise the child of their attacker, typically the attacker doesn't protect against pregnancy - no it's not the baby's fault - but by ignoring the mother you are saying her life and needs do not matter), incest (again likely a sexual assault and an increased likelihood of birth defects), and the life of the mother.
All of these difficult cases in which the decision is not made on a whim, nor will it be celebrated. It's a tough roll of the dice in which the government should not force women one way or another.
When someone is irresponsible and uses abortion as an "easy fix" is when the line is crossed. There was plenty of opportunity to do things the correct way - birth control, etc. This is typically not the case in the three highlighted cases.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:57 pm to BuckyCheese
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Not killing anything. I don't think it's murder, remember? You feel it is because you have been indoctrinated. *I was raised Catholic btw.
Bucky.. or really anybody reading this. I’m not sure that I’ve shared this story before but my ex wife and I lost our son at 7 months gestation. Right before Thanksgiving 1999. He was stillborn. I was able to hold his body. I can assure you that he was fully formed and under normal circumstances would’ve survived outside the womb at that stage. At some point everyone has to acknowledge that the “clump of cells” becomes something more, a life. The question is when and what defines it. For me, life begins at conception. For others it might be when the baby can survive on its own outside of the mother. But medical technology is advancing and premature babies are able to survive at earlier and earlier stages. I’ve stated before that I’m Pro-Life but I also think there need to be some exemptions for these more extreme situations. Abortion for convenience is something I am wholly against. It’s a weird topic for me. Sorry for rambling on.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:59 pm to BuckyCheese
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You don't understand that the reason religion came about was to control the populace.
You are thoroughly controlled by a mystical being (and the very profitable enterprise that goes with it) that you will never see or speak with.
Bucky, as a former atheist and highly educated (in your schools)I understand more then you ever will. You are the one who is blind. Can the church be used for evil? Of course! Because humans are involved. But what it really comes down to is the evidence and truth. As an atheist I have wrote EXCACTLY what you wrote in the past. It is truly lazy thinking.It made me chuckle. But I was in my 30's and you are a lot older. The Joel Osteen and Co do not represent what the gospel is suppose to be.
I am not a slave to anything except God. I live by moral truths that made our country possible. You atheist love all the trappings of the society, just refuse to acknowledge where it started.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:02 pm to Jcorye1
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just government they agree with.
Everybody wants government they agree with, mensa. Lemme guess, next line is “you can’t legislate morality”.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:03 pm to Flats
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Everybody wants government they agree with, mensa. Lemme guess, next line is “you can’t legislate morality”.
I read that and I thought does he think that is a smart quip?
No I want a government I disagree with dammit. Wait, already have it
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:04 pm to ConcreteThreshold
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Abortion used as birth control is wrong,
Why?
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:05 pm to Flats
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Everybody wants government they agree with, mensa. Lemme guess, next line is “you can’t legislate morality”.
Well you can't, but I always side with freedom if given the option.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:06 pm to Epaminondas
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If it was the abortion issue in the midterms, what's Trump's excuse for losing in 2020?
He won. By a lot.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:11 pm to aubie101
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Bucky, as a former atheist and highly educated (in your schools)I understand more then you ever will.
Spoken like a true believer.
You don't know anything about me, but since we disagree you automatically assume you are superior.
Just like a leftist.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:11 pm to Jcorye1
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Well you can't, but I always side with freedom
If you always side with freedom the result is anarchy. If you want civilization you want laws. If you want laws you want to force (or prohibit) certain behaviors based on moral values, just like the person you were attempting to insult. You just disagree on what values are enforced.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:12 pm to Flats
Because there's the chance to prevent the pregnancy.
Did you stop reading my post at that sentence.
Rape - against mothers will
Incest - typically rape
Life of the mother - difficult and unfortunately choice to make. You up for being forced by the government to die for another?
Did you stop reading my post at that sentence.
Rape - against mothers will
Incest - typically rape
Life of the mother - difficult and unfortunately choice to make. You up for being forced by the government to die for another?
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:13 pm to Figgy
quote:I am so, so, sorry for your loss. This is beyond heart breaking. A friend that was AD in the Navy was told at around 7 or 8 months along her baby son died.
Bucky.. or really anybody reading this. I’m not sure that I’ve shared this story before but my ex wife and I lost our son at 7 months gestation. Right before Thanksgiving 1999. He was stillborn. I was able to hold his body. I can assure you that he was fully formed and under normal circumstances would’ve survived outside the womb at that stage. At some point everyone has to acknowledge that the “clump of cells” becomes something more, a life. The question is when and what defines it. For me, life begins at conception. For others it might be when the baby can survive on its own outside of the mother. But medical technology is advancing and premature babies are able to survive at earlier and earlier stages. I’ve stated before that I’m Pro-Life but I also think there need to be some exemptions for these more extreme situations. Abortion for convenience is something I am wholly against. It’s a weird topic for me. Sorry for rambling on.
The military hospital back when made her go through a long grueling labor (with no epidural offered) Another friend had the same horrid tragedy with twins.
I also believe life begins at conception. Again, so sorry for your pain.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:15 pm to BuckyCheese
You
Also you
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You don't know anything about me, but since we disagree you automatically assume
Also you
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You feel it is because you have been indoctrinated.
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You mean he might have a problem raising the child of a rapist? *Yeah, I think he would.
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You are thoroughly controlled by a mystical being
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:16 pm to Flats
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Flats
Not equivalent in any way, but you be you.
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You are thoroughly controlled by a mystical being
He said himself he is a slave to God.
Keep trying.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:17 pm to BuckyCheese
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Not equivalent in any way,
You sound like Hank. He’s qualified to tell people all about themselves too, but objects if anybody does it to him.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:18 pm to ConcreteThreshold
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Because there's the chance to prevent the pregnancy.
Why does that make it wrong? Why is it wrong at all?
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