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re: Trump supporter - you can check my post history - regarding Venezuela
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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There are still a LOT of Maduro people in power, and, even ignoring prior ties, who wouldn't want to run an oil-rich country and get super rich?
I’m not sure anyone looking at this situation from the outside has any idea of what “in power” means there at this point.
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:22 am to SWOK Sooner
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Trump said we're keeping their oil. My guess is, we'll assist in rebuilding this country with proceeds from the sell of the oil
I'm good with that.
He needs to build some legal structure around that so that the next Dem president can't stick it to the taxpayers.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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Establishing regional dominance as an international paradigm gives them domain over Taiwan.
What part of "China doesn't care" don't you quite grasp? China doesn't care about international law, paradigm, or anything else. This is where you show your ignorance. Like I said, stick to domestic civil litigation.
China's calculus about Taiwan has absolutely *nothing* to do with what just happened in Venezuela, or anything that comes from it.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:25 am to CDawson
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China is super fricked without Venezuelan energy.
Vladimir Putin is on line 1.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:27 am to Centinel
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What part of "China doesn't care" don't you quite grasp? China doesn't care about international law, paradigm, or anything else. This is where you show your ignorance. Like I said, stick to domestic civil litigation.
Your dishonesty is sad. Why did you leave this out?
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The only thing China calculates when it comes to Taiwan is the response from the US and Japan
And this precednet, if its exists, would prohibit the US from responding.
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China's calculus about Taiwan has absolutely *nothing* to do with what just happened in Venezuela, or anything that comes from it.
Again, your dishonesty is showing.
I specifically covered this.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:29 am to VOR
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China and Russia are well aware of American military capabilities.
The capability doesn’t fluctuate much; the resolve does. Now they are well aware of THAT.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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And this precednet, if its exists, would prohibit the US from responding.
Because it would do nothing of the sort.
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I specifically covered this.
You covered it incorrectly, because you have no grasp of the subject at hand, which is why I responded as I did to remind you of the fact.
You simply are out of your league here. You do not have the education, experience, or background. You can play the sophist game in here all you want, but that's all it is. Sophistry. You lack understanding of the subject at hand, and it shows.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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This constant removal/destabilization strategy could end up worse.
It could, but that is HIGHLY improbable.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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We couldn't remain ideologically consistent using the rhetoric with Venezuela and then criticize China for making Taiwan its Venezuela.
bullshite! Our ideology is that Venezuela had a usurper in control and Taiwan does not. Perfectly consistent.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:37 am to Centinel
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Because it would do nothing of the sort.
Why?
Is there a precedent of regional/hemispherical domain or not?
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You covered it incorrectly,
I did not.
Either there is regional//hemispherical authorization for this operation or there is not.
What you're failing to do is explain why this precedent only permits US intervention and somehow prohibits China to do the same. You avoid answering by claiming the threat of the US is what keeps China at bay, but that is irrelevant if China is given that same authorization.
In an objective reality where this silly hemispherical/regional authority doesn't work, you are correct. The problem is that argument would require the US to be as bad as China and have no legitimate authority to do what it did in Venezuela.
Pick a side and stop doing the irrational thing of arguing "heads the US wins, tails China loses"
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You simply are out of your league here. You do not have the education, experience, or background. You can play the sophist game in here all you want, but that's all it is. Sophistry.
You're using an argument of authority fallacy along with scattered dishonesty here.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:37 am to Penrod
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Our ideology is that Venezuela had a usurper in control and Taiwan does not. Perfectly consistent.
That is a completely separate argument and one with much less legitimacy for the US operation.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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China to do the same. You avoid answering by claiming the threat of the US is what keeps China at bay, but that is irrelevant if China is given that same authorization.
I assure you it's very relevant to China SlowXiPro
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why?
Is there a precedent of regional/hemispherical domain or not?
Because you're making a legal argument. This has nothing to do with law.
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What you're failing to do is explain why this precedent only permits US intervention and somehow prohibits China to do the same.
I've never made this argument. Straw man much?
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Either there is regional//hemispherical authorization for this operation or there is not.
Your premise here is irrelevant, as is all else that follows.
The only change in calculus for China when it comes to Taiwan that is impacted by Venezuela is the loss of oil and the resolve of the current administration.
Nothing more, nothing less.
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 10:51 am
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
YOUN CLAIM WE NEED A CONSISTENT IDEOLOGY TO DIFFERENTIATE WHT THE VENEZUELAN OPERATION WAS JUST YET A CHINA AGGRESSION AGAINST TAIWAN IS NOT. I gave it.
Sorry for caps. My 1 year old grandson and I are at war over the iPad.
Sorry for caps. My 1 year old grandson and I are at war over the iPad.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:57 am to Centinel
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Because you're making a legal argument. This has nothing to do with law.
It's the most common justification for our authority to do this op. I didn't make it up or make it "legal"
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our premise here is irrelevant, as is all else that follows.
The only change in calculus for China when it comes to Taiwan that is impacted by Venezuela is the loss of oil and the resolve of the current administration.
So you're taking the "there is not" side and arguing the traditional Kissinger realpolitik
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:58 am to Penrod
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YOUN CLAIM WE NEED A CONSISTENT IDEOLOGY TO DIFFERENTIATE WHT THE VENEZUELAN OPERATION WAS JUST YET A CHINA AGGRESSION AGAINST TAIWAN IS NOT. I gave it.
You need to go back and read what the consistency was referencing, and it was the "Hemisphere" silliness. I said you have to maintain consistency within THAT ideology.
I wasn't speaking of any potential ideology.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 11:00 am to SWOK Sooner
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Trump said we're keeping their oil. My guess is, we'll assist in rebuilding this country with proceeds from the sell of the oil
Like you said, Trump said WE are keeping THEIR oil.
Yes, the oil companies that are going to profit should pay for the rebuild. And they should make a handsome profit.
Beyond that, anyone who has studied South American history for 15 minutes knows that if the long term solution doesn't include Venezuela keeping a substantial amount of the profits from the oil knows that some years down the road there will be another Chavez to take advantage of Venezuelans angry at the imperialist US for taking what belongs to them (their perception, not mine). Long term, Venezuelans have to make out well in this deal, or we'll have to deal with the same shite all over again at some point.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
What "authority" do you think is in charge of the US or China? This is what Trump understands and you don't. This is Darwin in the macro.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 11:13 am to TulsaSooner78
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1 - China is emboldened to take Taiwan
In addition to what a few other posters have commented on, we're not alone in helping Taiwan defend themselves against China. Japan has been saber rattling with China for the last month or so. China has been pissing off a lot of countries lately.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/30/world/asia/japan-china-island-yonaguni.html
https://apnews.com/article/japan-china-military-fighter-jets-pacific-25017ddbec3afd6bf9e6da4b8516b90a
Posted on 1/4/26 at 11:22 am to udtiger
Trumps plan took the “teeth out of the dog”…. It was much safer to take out Maduro, than send in numerous teams / units to take out his cabinet.
Maduro was the “teeth”…. Now Rubio will make sure the other coat tail riders are exposed, and an actual free election is held…..without Dominion voting machines
Maduro was the “teeth”…. Now Rubio will make sure the other coat tail riders are exposed, and an actual free election is held…..without Dominion voting machines
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