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Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:34 pm to geauxEdO
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On top of that, every single entitlement program can be considered “socialism”.
Using socialism to justify more socialism
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:38 pm to wackatimesthree
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I think the farmer bailout was around 28 Billion by the end of his first term. Directly caused by the tariffs.
That 28billion is light and only accounts for part of the ad hoc subsidies under Donald 1.0. The Market Facilitation Program, the main response to the tariff fallout, alone accounted for $23 billion in 2018 and 19. That is outside of every other ad hoc and budgeted subsidy program.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:45 pm to FLTech
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You fricking people just don't get it. The DEMOCRATS DESTROYED the Farming Industry so Trump is trying to help them get back on their feet due to what the Democrats did to the industry.
You don't bitch about the TRILLIONS in Democrat fraud that has been discovered but you bitch about Trump helping out farmers that the Democrats destroyed. You people are a bunch of fricking morons
This is your brain after years of listening to podcasts 24/7
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:04 pm to Ten Bears
1. Soaring Input Costs and Inflation
High inflation under Biden—reaching a 40-year peak—drove up costs for fertilizer, fuel, feed, and equipment, squeezing farm margins. From May 2021 to May 2022, overall input costs rose 15%, with fertilizer prices up 77% year-over-year. Diesel and gasoline prices hit record highs, impacting planting, harvesting, and transportation. Farmers reported negative balance sheets and job losses in the sector, with one Iowa Farm Bureau leader calling it an "ag recession." Critics blame Biden's energy policies, like pausing LNG exports, for worsening global supply chain issues.
2. Burdening Regulations, Especially Environmental Rules
Revisions to the Waters of the United States (WOTUS) rule reignited Obama-era uncertainties, potentially subjecting more farmland to federal oversight and permitting requirements. This created compliance headaches for small family farms (70% of U.S. operations), raising legal and operational costs without clear benefits. The EPA's biotech corn restrictions in Mexico were also cited as limiting U.S. exports. House Republicans argued these "radical environmental policies" prioritized "far-left groups" over food production, potentially harming the supply chain.
3. Trade Policy Failures and Declining Exports
The U.S. agricultural trade deficit hit a record $42.5 billion in FY 2025 (up from $30.5 billion in 2024), with exports at their lowest since 2020 ($169.5 billion) and imports surging. Critics, including Senate Agriculture Ranking Member John Boozman, faulted the administration for inaction on new deals, allowing competitors like Brazil to capture markets (e.g., ethanol tariffs in Brazil). No major free-trade agreements were pursued, and issues like Thailand's 50% beef tariff persisted. This hurt row crop farmers (e.g., soybeans, corn) reliant on exports, with 70 million acres planted for international markets in 2023 going underutilized.
4. Tax Proposals Threatening Farm Succession
Biden's American Families Plan proposed hiking capital gains taxes and limiting like-kind exchanges, potentially forcing family farms to sell land upon inheritance to cover estate taxes. Estimates suggested millions in added liabilities for farms, despite claims it would affect fewer than 2% of estates. This was seen as undermining generational transfers, vital for 96% of U.S. farms that are family-owned.
5. Perceived Discrimination in Aid Programs
Early debt relief under the American Rescue Plan targeted "socially disadvantaged farmers," leading to lawsuits (e.g., Faust v. Vilsack) alleging racial discrimination against white farmers (over 60% of the 2 million U.S. total). Courts blocked parts of the program, creating uncertainty and delays in broader aid. DEI-focused initiatives were later criticized as diverting funds from direct farmer support.
These critiques peaked in 2024-2025, with farm groups like the American Farm Bureau highlighting how policies contributed to a "brutal" environment.
High inflation under Biden—reaching a 40-year peak—drove up costs for fertilizer, fuel, feed, and equipment, squeezing farm margins. From May 2021 to May 2022, overall input costs rose 15%, with fertilizer prices up 77% year-over-year. Diesel and gasoline prices hit record highs, impacting planting, harvesting, and transportation. Farmers reported negative balance sheets and job losses in the sector, with one Iowa Farm Bureau leader calling it an "ag recession." Critics blame Biden's energy policies, like pausing LNG exports, for worsening global supply chain issues.
2. Burdening Regulations, Especially Environmental Rules
Revisions to the Waters of the United States (WOTUS) rule reignited Obama-era uncertainties, potentially subjecting more farmland to federal oversight and permitting requirements. This created compliance headaches for small family farms (70% of U.S. operations), raising legal and operational costs without clear benefits. The EPA's biotech corn restrictions in Mexico were also cited as limiting U.S. exports. House Republicans argued these "radical environmental policies" prioritized "far-left groups" over food production, potentially harming the supply chain.
3. Trade Policy Failures and Declining Exports
The U.S. agricultural trade deficit hit a record $42.5 billion in FY 2025 (up from $30.5 billion in 2024), with exports at their lowest since 2020 ($169.5 billion) and imports surging. Critics, including Senate Agriculture Ranking Member John Boozman, faulted the administration for inaction on new deals, allowing competitors like Brazil to capture markets (e.g., ethanol tariffs in Brazil). No major free-trade agreements were pursued, and issues like Thailand's 50% beef tariff persisted. This hurt row crop farmers (e.g., soybeans, corn) reliant on exports, with 70 million acres planted for international markets in 2023 going underutilized.
4. Tax Proposals Threatening Farm Succession
Biden's American Families Plan proposed hiking capital gains taxes and limiting like-kind exchanges, potentially forcing family farms to sell land upon inheritance to cover estate taxes. Estimates suggested millions in added liabilities for farms, despite claims it would affect fewer than 2% of estates. This was seen as undermining generational transfers, vital for 96% of U.S. farms that are family-owned.
5. Perceived Discrimination in Aid Programs
Early debt relief under the American Rescue Plan targeted "socially disadvantaged farmers," leading to lawsuits (e.g., Faust v. Vilsack) alleging racial discrimination against white farmers (over 60% of the 2 million U.S. total). Courts blocked parts of the program, creating uncertainty and delays in broader aid. DEI-focused initiatives were later criticized as diverting funds from direct farmer support.
These critiques peaked in 2024-2025, with farm groups like the American Farm Bureau highlighting how policies contributed to a "brutal" environment.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You nailed it again 
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:33 pm to bigjoe1
Trumpanomics in full swing. Destroy the export markets for America’s farmers and pay them massive welfare to try to keep them voting for more destruction of their markets.
The fools here are the farmers.
The fools here are the farmers.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:57 pm to bigjoe1
We are getting as bad as the EU in subsidizing farmers.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:04 pm to Harry Boutte
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He sure could. But then that would just lead to more inflation, more debt, and a higher debt service.
That’s not stopping him from handing everyone else Monopoly money
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:07 pm to BuckI
quote:Reagan and Bush supported debt restructuring and relief for developing countries, but there was no broad policy where broke nations repaid U.S. debt by dumping farm products into American markets. The 1980s farm collapse was driven by high interest rates, massive overproduction from the 1970s, falling global prices, and heavy farmer debt.
Reagan and Bush allowed broke nations to pay back their debt with agricultural products, which flooded the markets, driving American farmers out of business. I believe Clinton did the same.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:16 pm to GooseSix
quote:Some of you would do well to consider that assigning every policy you have ever disagreed with to someone else just because you disagree on the current topic is not an effective debate strategy. It does not engage the argument being made and it does not advance the discussion. It's a lazy nonresponse.
But it was Aye OK when Jug Ears did it for GM, right?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:18 pm to northshorebamaman
Everything is right in their world because Trump is President. Everything!
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:39 pm to northshorebamaman
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Some of you would do well to consider that assigning every policy you have ever disagreed with to someone else just because you disagree on the current topic is not an effective debate strategy. It does not engage the argument being made and it does not advance the discussion. It's a lazy nonresponse.
But, that would disarm 90% of the defense....
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:44 pm to FLTech
The Democrats are responsible for the failures of Donnie’s tariffs?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 6:43 pm to bigjoe1
Damn dirty socialists farmers!
Posted on 12/8/25 at 7:20 pm to deltaland
This “bridge payment” from what I’ve read is strictly for grain. So if you divide all the crops included in the deal it’ll be $50 a planted acre from what I read. It’ll go off of certified planted acres from the last year. So people won’t be able to sign up random farms.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 7:38 pm to FLTech
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You fricking people just don't get it. The DEMOCRATS DESTROYED the Farming Industry so Trump is trying to help them get back on their feet due to what the Democrats did to the industry.
Nope. Cargill, ADM, Tyson, Lamb Weston, Simplot, etc. did that all by themselves.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:20 pm to tigerpimpbot
You know Trump wanted in them drawers. She could have gotten us another 12 if she played ball.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:22 pm to deltaland
um, the large operations are the ones that are gonna get the bulk of the aid; going to row crop farmers, it'll be based on base acreage in federal programs; in other words, corporate farms finna eat
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Farmers have always been welfare queens. This move isnt really a surprise. A leftist president handing out welfare to farmers, seems normal.
The better solution is, clearly, to rely on foreign nations to feed your people. That could never become an issue.
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