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re: Trump’s plans for taking back universities
Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:57 pm to white beans
Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:57 pm to white beans
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Are you sure that this video is legitimate?
No. I don’t post it.
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:58 pm to OMLandshark
Start treating these institutions as what they are supposed to be. Training for future careers our country needs. Send the funding to those majors; the others fall by the wayside if they can't support themselves.
Start underwriting student loans. High risk students get short leash before they get yanked. Low risk high achieving students continue to get help. There's zero sense in stringing a long a "C" student in a "studies" major while saddling them with thousands in debt in the name of having a more educated populace.
Start underwriting student loans. High risk students get short leash before they get yanked. Low risk high achieving students continue to get help. There's zero sense in stringing a long a "C" student in a "studies" major while saddling them with thousands in debt in the name of having a more educated populace.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:00 pm to OMLandshark
I'm all for it, but this also runs counter to the objective of getting rid of the Dept. Of Education. You are going to withhold accreditation but someone has to oversee said accreditation. So the Department of Education.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:02 pm to OMLandshark
Another one of these videos?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:04 pm to OMLandshark
- End federally backed student loans.
- Withhold federal funds for schools that grade poorly on FIRE's assessment of free speech on campus. Tax dollars don't go to those that subvert the Constitution.
- Cut all funds to schools that have censorship offices like Stanford.
- Tell schools that funding will be less any funds they've been spending on DEI and administrative bloat.
- Cut funding for all the climate stuff.
- Mandate that gov sponsors not allow funding applications if they reference propaganda climate stuff, or any journals that participated in the covid propaganda, or any journal that has obfuscated information rather than been a conduit for information, such as New England Journal of Medicine and how they behaved during the Vioxx scandal, and Nature for publishing Fauci's fraud piece on covid origins and never taking actions on it after knowing it was all fraud.
- Tell all schools with endowment's over $10B that they fund their own research.
- Tell all schools they will issue an apology to the taxpayer for their climate nonsense and for not calling attention to the lack of rigor in climate research and the propaganda aspect of it all, and make them implement plans to beef up rigor in all research activities and separate politics from science.
- Mandate all federal sponsors dramatically increase the amount of rigor required to get federal funding.
There are so many levers to pull here. And tell the courts to pound sand as well.
- Withhold federal funds for schools that grade poorly on FIRE's assessment of free speech on campus. Tax dollars don't go to those that subvert the Constitution.
- Cut all funds to schools that have censorship offices like Stanford.
- Tell schools that funding will be less any funds they've been spending on DEI and administrative bloat.
- Cut funding for all the climate stuff.
- Mandate that gov sponsors not allow funding applications if they reference propaganda climate stuff, or any journals that participated in the covid propaganda, or any journal that has obfuscated information rather than been a conduit for information, such as New England Journal of Medicine and how they behaved during the Vioxx scandal, and Nature for publishing Fauci's fraud piece on covid origins and never taking actions on it after knowing it was all fraud.
- Tell all schools with endowment's over $10B that they fund their own research.
- Tell all schools they will issue an apology to the taxpayer for their climate nonsense and for not calling attention to the lack of rigor in climate research and the propaganda aspect of it all, and make them implement plans to beef up rigor in all research activities and separate politics from science.
- Mandate all federal sponsors dramatically increase the amount of rigor required to get federal funding.
There are so many levers to pull here. And tell the courts to pound sand as well.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:04 pm to KiwiHead
That’s what I’ve been wondering but didn’t want to be the guy who brings this up in multiple threads. I love all of these proposals along with what they’re proposing for lower ed, but want to know how exactly they plan on enforcing it without the Dept of Education. Are they going to roll this under a new agency?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:09 pm to funnystuff
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As someone who works in higher ed, I fricking love this.
The accreditation system is beyond broken. Checking their stupid boxes is probably 30% of my job at this point, and it isn’t doing shite to improve the quality of education. It’s actively detracting from the time I can devote to my students and I’m fricking sick of it.
It’s wasting time, it’s wasting resources, it’s increasing tuition cost, and it’s giving a handful of petty bureaucrats an unbelievable amount of power to drive education outcomes in the direction they personally desire. I went to my first accreditation conference this summer and the glee that these people get over making rules and forcing them onto others was sickening.
Needless to say, this post has me beyond hyped
My department refers to the emails that we get from the accreditors as "We got a SACS change to work on." 90 percent of everything we do for them is a complete waste of time. Early in my career I figured out what I was working with when a SACS committee member from UCF was giving a presentation and referred to the Panhandle as "the Alabama of Florida."
And the site visits they make are a complete waste of time. Most of the committees just want to know where the best bar is. They'll sign off on anything.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:17 pm to POTUS2024
Great list POTUS.
The absolutely skyrocketing tuition costs coincided with the fed govt backing student loans. So many that should never have been there to begin with....so the universities added worthless programs to "humor" them.
Id also put a clause on the list to stop funding from china to many of these schools, and the "centers" the chinese have on these campuses.
Id be careful cutting research. The Fed govt has allotted billions to "primary" research for decades. Its money spent on research that does not have an application at the onset and no company would fund it.
You can look back to many inventions in all fields and the original source was primary research.
Just take that clause out where it has to benefit lgptq, global nonsense, etc.
The absolutely skyrocketing tuition costs coincided with the fed govt backing student loans. So many that should never have been there to begin with....so the universities added worthless programs to "humor" them.
Id also put a clause on the list to stop funding from china to many of these schools, and the "centers" the chinese have on these campuses.
Id be careful cutting research. The Fed govt has allotted billions to "primary" research for decades. Its money spent on research that does not have an application at the onset and no company would fund it.
You can look back to many inventions in all fields and the original source was primary research.
Just take that clause out where it has to benefit lgptq, global nonsense, etc.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:19 pm to anc
We’re working on evaluation of our core classes for SACSCOC… the amount of petty, useless bullshite we’re doing is infuriating. We’re currently on a legit 500+ hour project for a single datapoint on critical thinking
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:24 pm to funnystuff
Im all for this. I do have one concern.
How does
work?
I'm all for requiring entrance criteria (again), but how do you determine the exit exam criteria? The stuff I am teaching in analytics is going to be outdated in the 3 to 5 years it takes to make some form of assessment tool to go back and measure if they learned anything..
How does
quote:
" implementing college entrance and exit exams to prove that students are actually learning and getting their money's worth."
work?
I'm all for requiring entrance criteria (again), but how do you determine the exit exam criteria? The stuff I am teaching in analytics is going to be outdated in the 3 to 5 years it takes to make some form of assessment tool to go back and measure if they learned anything..
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:36 pm to laxtonto
Yea, that’s not my favorite part…
There’s a version of it that could work well. But I worry it will lead to a lot of “teaching to the tests”. And if/when Dems retake control, I worry about what their standards of universal learning starts to look like. Content creep would be a real concern over longer horizons.
What I’d prefer is a national survey of students. Make it a national project that asks students at every school questions like the competence of their professors, the quality of education they received, and the job prospects that the universities generated. Anonymize the results, and create a national database that any prospective college student can review at will.
Let the solution to lacking value be maximum transparency. This will allow student choice to weed out the lesser universities who create no value for their students. Much easier to administer than national tests, with significantly lower chance of leftists takeover over time, and far more value generated far more quickly
There’s a version of it that could work well. But I worry it will lead to a lot of “teaching to the tests”. And if/when Dems retake control, I worry about what their standards of universal learning starts to look like. Content creep would be a real concern over longer horizons.
What I’d prefer is a national survey of students. Make it a national project that asks students at every school questions like the competence of their professors, the quality of education they received, and the job prospects that the universities generated. Anonymize the results, and create a national database that any prospective college student can review at will.
Let the solution to lacking value be maximum transparency. This will allow student choice to weed out the lesser universities who create no value for their students. Much easier to administer than national tests, with significantly lower chance of leftists takeover over time, and far more value generated far more quickly
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:43 pm to POTUS2024
quote:THIS.
- End federally backed student loans.
Let the free market decide which degrees are likely to pay off their loans. The accreditation systems is a mess and will take more than 4 years to fix.
Heck, getting rid of FAFSA would have made my life so much easier.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:52 pm to OMLandshark
The red in the chart is Federal direct spending on education. Notice zero Federal dollars when electricity, radio, airplanes, automobiles were being invented/developed. I suppose national defense spending is necessary, but universities should run off of state and private funding as much as possible to minimize political ideologies.
Using federal dollars as a carrot to follow a certain ideology is a slippery slope.
Using federal dollars as a carrot to follow a certain ideology is a slippery slope.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:54 pm to OMLandshark
Now do the AMA!
The accreditation entities are absolutely captured.
The accreditation entities are absolutely captured.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:58 pm to tide06
Getting rid of marxists in universities is about as likely as getting rid of conservatives in the O&G industry. Same can be said for liberals in HR departments.
You cant save these places. The people who inhabit them cant be reformed. They have to be completely reset.
You cant save these places. The people who inhabit them cant be reformed. They have to be completely reset.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:00 pm to Monahans
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Getting rid of marxists in universities is about as likely as getting rid of conservatives in the O&G industry. Same can be said for liberals in HR departments.
Agree. It’s a rebuild, not a rebuild.
Bar association is probably on that list as well.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:02 pm to white beans
quote:
Are you sure that this video is legitimate?
I’ve seen several with the same setup covering different topics.
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:34 pm to Salviati
What is that supposed to indicate?
I’ll be real bummed if this is fake
I’ll be real bummed if this is fake
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:18 pm to Eighteen
There should be a separate demographic of college educated white women who graduated before universities began indoctrinating.
We are the “more educated”.
We are the “more educated”.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:15 pm to funnystuff
I’d like to see where trump or his people dropped this originally.
I think that deepfaking him spouting off hard line shite will be part of the project 2025 hoax that is underway.
I think that deepfaking him spouting off hard line shite will be part of the project 2025 hoax that is underway.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 8:18 pm
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