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re: Two questions for pro-choice posters
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:55 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:55 am to AggieHank86
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misrepresent the views of abortion rights supporters regarding the status of a zygote/blastocyst/embryo/fetus?
How are those views been misrepresented? Killing is killing and abortion rights supporters advocate for killing unborn humans. The "control my body" argument is the misrepresentation here. What's actually going on is the woman is "controlling" another's body. In this case, by choosing to murder the child.
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Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:55 am to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
You’re such a buttfricking retard
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:56 am to Darth_Vader
They have evolved from “its not a life” to “it’s not medically viable and so therefore we can kill it”. This argument has so many holes and requires so many leaps in logic I’m simply confused with how they can keep them straight.
I do love debating with prochoice people using this argument because they typically work themselves into quite a lather of confusion.
I do love debating with prochoice people using this argument because they typically work themselves into quite a lather of confusion.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:57 am to BurningHeart
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The question is the cutoff between what's considered the mother's body and choices vs. an independent human being.
It's not an easy answer I know, but I think the mother should have some sort of choice to abort in the early stages.
It is very easy. The separate person insider her womb, the one with the dna that is different than her own... that is the cut off.
Unless you think it is ok to decide arbitrarily that some people aren't people pro-life is the only ethical stance.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:58 am to Kirk Herbstreit
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I believe in God and have repeatedly learned over the years that God ALWAYS has a plan. Who am I to support ending a life for someone who God has a plan for?
Wouldn't this omnipotent being have known and "planned" the abortion?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:59 am to tiger7166
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Because it's her body!
Well actually it isn't.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:00 am to Darth_Vader
How many abortions you think Trump has covered?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:01 am to ljhog
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The "control my body" argument is the misrepresentation here. What's actually going on is the woman is "controlling" another's body. In this case, by choosing to murder the child.
The body autonomy argument is self defeating because for the mother to maintain her body autonomy she has to violate the baby's.
Either autonomy matters or it doesn't.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:01 am to Nastradamus
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What I don’t get is why do you care?
I mean really, you gonna come take care of that baby?
If this is your argument than at what age should we be allowed to kill babies for convenience? 3? 4?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:02 am to Azkiger
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You cant use pro-life either then, because you wont hold your God accountable for the lives he aborts (natural abortion).
A) I don't. The issue is legal abortion. You either support or opppose.
B) Your comment about god is retarded.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:02 am to Darth_Vader
This post is beyond stupid. No response is warranted
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 8:03 am
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:04 am to Nastradamus
The best argument the pro life crowd has is to shape the parameters around abortion. Ideally, trying to end later term abortions should be the focus.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:05 am to BlackAdam
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It is very easy. The separate person insider her womb, the one with the dna that is different than her own... that is the cut off.
Unless you think it is ok to decide arbitrarily that some people aren't people pro-life is the only ethical stance
The problem with abortion arguments, and most political arguments in general, is that people try to make it a black or white issue.
No I don't like the idea of abortions but I realize they are a necessity.
People will make choices they regret, then will either go to a clinic or take matters into their own hands.
I ask myself would the world be a better place if abortions were illegal, and I think not. There would be more unwanted and abused children, more crime, and more welfare.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:06 am to Choctaw
Before anyone answers, I have a 6 year old. But I could be swayed in either direction.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:06 am to Choctaw
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If this is your argument than at what age should we be allowed to kill babies for convenience? 3? 4?
Some reasonable people would say by the beginning of the 2nd trimester and no later.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:10 am to Nastradamus
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Be weird if either of us “cared” about each other’s opinions. In fact, I would have thought this was already known before joining a grown up board? Let’s make our points and stop resorting to tactics that are designed for conversation to go sideways. You have a point of view, sharpen it.
So you're suggestion that the pro life members of this board do not care if someone is pro choice? And vice versa?
You'll have to forgive me if I do not believe you.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:13 am to Turbeauxdog
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I don't.
I know, that's why you're not pro-life. Pro-life places life first, not someone's (God) choice.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:13 am to BurningHeart
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I think the mother should have some sort of choice to abort in the early stages.
I agree that it should be left up to the mother/couple. She/they are the one who have to live with the decision, not me or you.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:14 am to AggieHank86
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Enjoy your circle jerk.
A thing is either alive or it is not, period.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:15 am to Darth_Vader
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If NASA announced today that they’d discovered live bacteria on Mars, would you consider that this proves there is life on Mars?
As a nationalist who happens to be white, what do I care about Mars?
But seriously:
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I ask myself would the world be a better place if abortions were illegal, and I think not. There would be more unwanted and abused children, more crime, and more welfare.
Well stated or at least fits my thinking on the subject as well.
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