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Posted on 2/27/19 at 11:27 am to crazyatthecamp
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Catholic unrepentantly praying to Mary
Neither Catholics nor Orthodox pray TO Mary or the saints. They see the church militant (those on earth) and the church triumphant (those in heaven) as all part of the “so great a cloud of witnesses” that surround us. They pray to God the Father through the Son just like Protestants. The difference is that they will request intercessory prayer from the saints who have preceded them in death, not just the people in their small group.
Now, we may all get to heaven and St Peter might say that hey...that business, you were wrong about that, Or he might tell Protestants ...nice of you to show up, you should’ve emailed some. But neither group will be dismissed as idolators because of this practice.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 11:38 am to Boatshoes
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Now, we may all get to heaven and St Peter might say that hey...that business, you were wrong about that, Or he might tell Protestants ...nice of you to show up, you should’ve emailed some. But neither group will be dismissed as idolators because of this practice.
yep. always makes me sad to read threads where Catholics think they're the true faith and protestants think all Catholics aren't getting in. i think we'll all be shocked by the faiths represented there.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 12:02 pm to 3nOut
Is asking for intersession from dead folks still a prayer or not? Probably some nuance there for sure I'm the definition.
Anyhow, I generally fall in the camp that heaven will have a variety of denominations represented.
Catholics have mostly true beliefs. Conservative Lutherans and Baptists and Reformed Christians have mostly true beliefs also. I tend to think that my church teaches more truth than the other ones but I admit that I don't think it teaches perfect truth and I admit that the critical mass of truth can be found in many denominations that follow biblical teaching.
Imo the slippery slope gets way steeper when these liberal church (if you can call them that) bodies step away from the bible and accept dangerous teachings such as acceptance of unrepentant homosexual actions, universalism, evolution is true without exception, abortion rights for all, interfaith prayers, the non bodily resurrection, gender neutral language in the services and prayers, etc.
To me that seems highly heretical to the point of absurdity and usually churches that ordain women tend to accept almost all these false teachings. If I am wrong correct me.
To me the truth in those churches is much more limited and corrupted. And at the end of the day I question what they produce. Traditional churches typically produce strong Christian apologists or unbelievers. Liberal churches produce inconsistent weak pseudo Christians and strong SJWs.
Anyhow, I generally fall in the camp that heaven will have a variety of denominations represented.
Catholics have mostly true beliefs. Conservative Lutherans and Baptists and Reformed Christians have mostly true beliefs also. I tend to think that my church teaches more truth than the other ones but I admit that I don't think it teaches perfect truth and I admit that the critical mass of truth can be found in many denominations that follow biblical teaching.
Imo the slippery slope gets way steeper when these liberal church (if you can call them that) bodies step away from the bible and accept dangerous teachings such as acceptance of unrepentant homosexual actions, universalism, evolution is true without exception, abortion rights for all, interfaith prayers, the non bodily resurrection, gender neutral language in the services and prayers, etc.
To me that seems highly heretical to the point of absurdity and usually churches that ordain women tend to accept almost all these false teachings. If I am wrong correct me.
To me the truth in those churches is much more limited and corrupted. And at the end of the day I question what they produce. Traditional churches typically produce strong Christian apologists or unbelievers. Liberal churches produce inconsistent weak pseudo Christians and strong SJWs.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 12:04 pm to Columbia
I agree. Sin is sin.
We are all sinners but there is a level of effort made to become closer to god once a true relationship is established using gods grace and his power to change us.
If I walked into a Methodist church as an alcoholic and and sat in the front pew and drank a pint straight from the bottle I would expect that someone would ask that I refrain from doing so. If I was a thief that is addicted to stealing and I walked into a church and stole from the church and it’s members I would expect that someone would ask me to stop. And I would think it would be crazy if anyone asked me to be an elder or preacher in the church while doing any of the above out in the open.
The Lbgtq community shouldn’t be shocked if what is clearly a sin according to the Bible is not endorsed. I hope that gays come to church, I hope that Christ will work in their community, and I hope that his word is read and spread to the world. However, endorsement and acceptance is different. And the church is called to be different.
We are all sinners but there is a level of effort made to become closer to god once a true relationship is established using gods grace and his power to change us.
If I walked into a Methodist church as an alcoholic and and sat in the front pew and drank a pint straight from the bottle I would expect that someone would ask that I refrain from doing so. If I was a thief that is addicted to stealing and I walked into a church and stole from the church and it’s members I would expect that someone would ask me to stop. And I would think it would be crazy if anyone asked me to be an elder or preacher in the church while doing any of the above out in the open.
The Lbgtq community shouldn’t be shocked if what is clearly a sin according to the Bible is not endorsed. I hope that gays come to church, I hope that Christ will work in their community, and I hope that his word is read and spread to the world. However, endorsement and acceptance is different. And the church is called to be different.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 12:08 pm to baobabtiger
Well stated.
It's unfortunate that many are misstating yesterday's events to equate to the UMC determining that gay people are not loved by God. I can understand that emotional reaction by some who are gay and who wish to be leaders in UMC, to be honest. But many, many more are seeking to divide based on that false representation.
It's unfortunate that many are misstating yesterday's events to equate to the UMC determining that gay people are not loved by God. I can understand that emotional reaction by some who are gay and who wish to be leaders in UMC, to be honest. But many, many more are seeking to divide based on that false representation.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 2:44 pm to Pettifogger
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It's unfortunate that many are misstating yesterday's events to equate to the UMC determining that gay people are not loved by God. I can understand that emotional reaction by some who are gay and who wish to be leaders in UMC, to be honest. But many, many more are seeking to divide based on that false representation.
This perhaps the second most important reason a purge of gay clergy needs to happen in the UMC. They are spreading a lie that homosexuals are hated by Methodists. By spreading that lie, they are poisoning their own church out of spite.
If they cannot accept the church's decision, then they need to leave - no hard feelings. There are many churches out there who will welcome them as clergy with open arms and continue to put feelings above the Word. The pettiness has to stop, and only those acting in a petty fashion can stop it.
What is baffling is that the UMC is not a fire and brimstone type of church. I have attended several and very rarely have I listened to a sermon that would fall into that category. The vast majority of the time, sermons focus on love, charity and how to live our lives more like Jesus. We are as uplifting a congregation as there is.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 3:18 pm to Pettifogger
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It's unfortunate that many are misstating yesterday's events to equate to the UMC determining that gay people are not loved by God. I can understand that emotional reaction by some who are gay and who wish to be leaders in UMC, to be honest
You seriously are willing to give these liars the benefit of the doubt? You seriously think they are sincere rather than drawing from the same well of division from which progressives always draw? You seriously haven’t learned how this scum operates?
Posted on 2/27/19 at 4:30 pm to Turbeauxdog
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You seriously are willing to give these liars the benefit of the doubt? You seriously think they are sincere rather than drawing from the same well of division from which progressives always draw? You seriously haven’t learned how this scum operates?
I believe there are some in the "progressive wing" of churches who truly desire ministry and are gay, sure. And I have sympathy for them. I don't think UMC or other denominations should change their belief systems on account of it, but I do hope that those who are sincere about bringing people to Christ continue that effort elsewhere.
Most, as I indicate, will probably just go continue their secular advocacy efforts outside of the church.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 4:34 pm to Pettifogger
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Dear SMU community,
The United Methodist Church concluded a special session of the General Conference yesterday, ultimately voting to endorse the “Traditional Plan,” which excludes the ordination of LGBTQ clergy and same-sex marriage within the Church. The implications of this official decision for the entire Church will be determined in the coming weeks and months.
Even as we value our historical relationship with the Church, SMU is distinct from the Church. Nothing changes in SMU’s day-to-day operations as a result of this action. In founding SMU, members of the Methodist Church and the citizens of Dallas created a University as a separate corporate entity governed by the SMU Board of Trustees. SMU will continue to operate under the University’s separate bylaws and policies, including our non-discrimination statement, as approved by the Board of Trustees.
Likewise, the values of SMU remain the same, including inclusivity and respect for others. We reaffirm SMU’s deep commitment to providing a welcoming community for all students, faculty and staff members and visitors. This commitment has not and will not change for LGBTQ individuals as well as for all others. As our students have stated, “Every Mustang will be valued.” Listed below are SMU resources to support the community with concerns or questions. I will keep the SMU community apprised should any significant changes arise related to the Church’s decision.
Sincerely,
R. Gerald Turner President
Got this from SMU today... don't know how this decision would affect students at all
Posted on 2/27/19 at 4:41 pm to RTN
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Got this from SMU today... don't know how this decision would affect students at all
This is the norm in 2019
Harvard law students are claiming they feel "unsafe" because a professor is defending Harvey Weinstein. "Unsafe". It's nuts.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 4:44 pm to Pettifogger
Yep. Sign of the times. Everyone is offended and no one is safe.
Christians are being "attacked" because people make fun of them. "Attacked."
Christians are being "attacked" because people make fun of them. "Attacked."
Posted on 2/27/19 at 4:46 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Christians are being "attacked" because people make fun of them. "Attacked."
Not sure how it's relevant to this thread, but sure, I'm sure some Christians are overly-sensitive and willing to play victim.
Actually, I guess it is relevant, considering this thread is about a UMC vote to uphold its traditional beliefs and ridiculous lashing out by the progressive elements that followed.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 4:52 pm to Pettifogger
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Not sure how it's relevant to this thread
I'd say it's at least as relevant as Harvard law students and Harvey Weinstein.
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some Christians
Good one.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 5:02 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Yawn
"There's my opening to charge into a thread by Christians about Christians and make fun of Christians!"
"There's my opening to charge into a thread by Christians about Christians and make fun of Christians!"
Posted on 2/27/19 at 5:18 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
frick you
Of course Christians are being attacked when malcontents are doing things like trying to get 100 year old memorials removed from veterans shrines.
Typical of leftists to lie about what they are doing
Of course Christians are being attacked when malcontents are doing things like trying to get 100 year old memorials removed from veterans shrines.
Typical of leftists to lie about what they are doing
Posted on 2/27/19 at 5:25 pm to gthog61
Don’t reply to him. All he does is troll.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 5:42 pm to Pettifogger
I talked about Christians in a thread about Christians.
For some reason, you brought up Harvard law students and Harvey Weinstein in a thread about Christians.
For some reason, you brought up Harvard law students and Harvey Weinstein in a thread about Christians.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 5:42 pm to gthog61
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Christians are being attacked
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attacked
Posted on 2/27/19 at 5:44 pm to 3nOut
quote:Thats always a good policy in regards to that individual.
Don’t reply to him. All he does is troll.
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