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Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:19 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46228 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:19 am to
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Prayers in accord with God's will do more to stem sin and violence than additional restrictions on firearms.
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Prove it, virtue signaler.


I don't think you know what virtue signaling is if you think that's what I'm doing. Either that or you don't understand Christianity.

Prayers that are in accord with God's will are prayers that He answers the way we expect, because that's what He intends to do. That means, if it is God's will that He reduce violence in an area for a time by restraining sin, then He will do it.

Further restrictions on firearms only restrict the liberties of law abiding citizens and prevent them from being able to stop violence happening to them and to others.
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6622 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:27 am to
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I don't think you know what virtue signaling is if you think that's what I'm doing. Either that or you don't understand Christianity.



Understanding Christianity has nothing to do with whether or not you're virtue signaling.

In fact, it doesn't even matter if you think you are.

You virtue signal with nearly every post you make, whether you think you are or not.

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Prayers that are in accord with God's will are prayers that He answers the way we expect, because that's what He intends to do. That means, if it is God's will that He reduce violence in an area for a time by restraining sin, then He will do it.

Further restrictions on firearms only restrict the liberties of law abiding citizens and prevent them from being able to stop violence happening to them and to others.


Prove. It.
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7705 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:24 pm to
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I'm sure the GOP will give their "thoughts and prayers"


Don't knock them if you haven't tried them. "Thoughts and prayers" killed Roe vs Wade after all,
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 12:45 pm
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9867 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:31 pm to
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I'm sure the GOP will give their "thoughts and prayers"


I’m sure you’ll go back to the Blue Oyster Bar.
Posted by mtb010
San Antonio
Member since Sep 2009
6236 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:31 pm to
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I'm sure the GOP will give their "thoughts and prayers"


Yes, we will. But we also would rather the students and faculty have the ability to carry a weapon so they could defend themselves and minimize the damage that an evil psychopath would do, you would rather them just continue to be soft targets.
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7705 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:33 pm to
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I’m sure you’ll go back to the Blue Oyster Bar.



Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46228 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:13 pm to
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Understanding Christianity has nothing to do with whether or not you're virtue signaling.

In fact, it doesn't even matter if you think you are.

You virtue signal with nearly every post you make, whether you think you are or not.
Understanding Christianity is necessary for understanding whether or not what I'm doing is "virtue signaling". I believe I'm doing what all Christians should be doing to one degree or another by proclaiming the truth of the Christian faith according to the teachings of Scripture and applying those truths to the world I live in.

Here is the definition of virtue signaling from Dictionary.com:

the sharing of one's point of view on a social or political issue, often on social media, in order to garner praise or acknowledgment of one’s righteousness from others who share that point of view, or to passively rebuke those who do not

The primary issue for virtue signaling is that the signaler does what he does for the sake of getting praise or acknowledgement of goodness or moral righteousness from others. A secondary product is the passive rebuke of those who do not do the same.

To the first point, I do not do what I do for the sake of upvotes or acknowledgement or praise. On the contrary, my statements draw ire from all sorts of people, including many professing Christians. I say what I say because I believe it is good to say it, not because it will win me points with others or even with God (though I do seek to give Him glory in all things).

To the second point, I am not passively rebuking anyone. I am actively providing rebuke in my comments, calling others to specific repentance of sin and a trust in Jesus Christ for salvation.

There's also a 3rd point given in other definitions that pertains to talking a good talk while not walking the walk. While I'm a sinner and do not deserve the blessings that God has bestowed upon me, I do not rebuke others for that which I am actively and unrepentantly engaging in at the same time (aka, hypocrisy). On the contrary, I call others to do the same things that I am convicted of doing and believing what I am convicted of believing. I'm not asking or telling others to do anything that I'm not already doing myself. Specifically, I'm calling everyone to do what God commands us all to do by being conformed to Christ by the renewing of our minds through the Spirit and the Word of God.

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Prove. It.
On the outset, you need to understand the difference between proof and persuasion. You not being persuaded of something does not mean that something was not proved. With that:

Biblical proof of praying according to the will of God:

"And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us." -1 John 5:14

"and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him." -1 John 3:22

This is based on the notion of the two wills of God: His secret will or will of decree, and His revealed will or His will of command. I could go into that but I don't think you're very interested in it and won't waste more time than necessary.

God wills (decrees) that prayer is a means for His people to ask for that which is most good, and God has decreed to answer according to His most-wise desires and ends. We learn this in part when it says "You do not have, because you do not ask" (James 4:2).

Much more could be said, but the Scriptures are clear that His people are to pray in faith for God's will to be done (Matt. 6:10), and He answers according to His divine plan and purpose.

So therefore, if it is God's will of decree that He should bless an area and people with reduced violence for a time, nothing can frustrate that plan.


Regarding gun control, the studies are widely circulated and the statistics available. Most of the cities with the strictest gun laws do not lower crime because the measures put in place (like background checks) don't work for criminals who don't obtain their firearms through legal means. Such efforts impact law-abiding citizens because, by definition, they obey the laws. On the other hand, there are thousands of legal uses of firearms each year that stop or prevent crimes that would be further impacted by more laws that limit the availability and use of firearms to law-abiding citizens (which, again, nearly all suggested bills do).



And interestingly enough, if people simply acted according to the revealed will of God (His will of command), we would stop killing each other anyway, and violence would be reduced.
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6622 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

On the outset, you need to understand the difference between proof and persuasion. You not being persuaded of something does not mean that something was not proved. With that:

Biblical proof of praying according to the will of God:

"And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us." -1 John 5:14

"and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him." -1 John 3:22

This is based on the notion of the two wills of God: His secret will or will of decree, and His revealed will or His will of command. I could go into that but I don't think you're very interested in it and won't waste more time than necessary.

God wills (decrees) that prayer is a means for His people to ask for that which is most good, and God has decreed to answer according to His most-wise desires and ends. We learn this in part when it says "You do not have, because you do not ask" (James 4:2).

Much more could be said, but the Scriptures are clear that His people are to pray in faith for God's will to be done (Matt. 6:10), and He answers according to His divine plan and purpose.

So therefore, if it is God's will of decree that He should bless an area and people with reduced violence for a time, nothing can frustrate that plan.


Regarding gun control, the studies are widely circulated and the statistics available. Most of the cities with the strictest gun laws do not lower crime because the measures put in place (like background checks) don't work for criminals who don't obtain their firearms through legal means. Such efforts impact law-abiding citizens because, by definition, they obey the laws. On the other hand, there are thousands of legal uses of firearms each year that stop or prevent crimes that would be further impacted by more laws that limit the availability and use of firearms to law-abiding citizens (which, again, nearly all suggested bills do).



The complete lack of self-awareness here would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
13835 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:20 pm to
Weeelll, came out from under your rock ey?!?!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:21 pm to
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The complete lack of self-awareness here would be funny if it wasn't so sad.


And still you post here...
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:22 pm to
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will give their "thoughts and prayers"
I'm sure as h3ll not giving them my guns...
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25633 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:34 pm to
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It's a good point. These are people whom I'm sure cried like bitches for a "gun free zone," because we all know that stops criminals and loonies.



It stops shootings like sugar and sweat repel mosquitoes.
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6622 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:37 pm to
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And still you post here...


Most of the time (like in your case) it's just funny.
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:41 pm to
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These are people whom I'm sure cried like bitches for a "gun free zone," because we all know that stops criminals and loonies.
Yep. The criminal plans out his/her/they/them attack to kill multiple people. Knowing they will intentionally break a multitude of laws that will like get them life in prison or the death penalty if caught. They wake up in the morning, grab the guns, load the magazines, go directly to their planned killing field and then they see the "Gun Free Zone" sign. They tuck their head in disappointment, say DARN and go back home...
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:42 pm to
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I'm sure as h3ll not giving them my guns...


They'd run from them.

Democrat males and guns dont mix unless you live in urban ghetto areas..
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 2:43 pm
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:45 pm to
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Democrat males and guns dont mix unless you live in urban ghetto areas..
True. That's why the democrats have been importing all those military age males over the southern border for the last 3 years.
Posted by AFtigerFan
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2008
3696 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 5:20 pm to
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Factually untrue. Women get business degrees at about the same rate as men
He targeted faculty/staff. They lean right. Ask me how I know.
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
8826 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:29 pm to
I know the Chickenshite Dems will give us their thoughts on an Assault Weapons ban, even though this bastard used a pistol.
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