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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:26 am to
Posted by METAL
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:26 am to
Tankers in this case. Navy has F-35s too. Just a crappier variant airframe wise.
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Posted by Tantal
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:31 am to
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Just a crappier variant airframe wise.

What makes it a crappier variant? The STOVL system?
Posted by METAL
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:35 am to
Essentially. That ridiculous system had secondary and tertiary effects too.
Posted by BOHICAMAN
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:38 am to
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Essentially. That ridiculous system had secondary and tertiary effects too.


I didn’t think the Navy flew the F-35B
Posted by METAL
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:39 am to
Secondary and tertiary effects…

Don’t get me wrong. The F-35 is a monster at what it does well. Fat kid in a magic suit.

But it is not anywhere near F-22 or 4th gen. It’s not a pure fighter. It’s AI, which it’s phenomenal at.

The point is it could have been much better if they would have scrapped that cape and stoped this whole one size fits all bullshite.
This post was edited on 2/26/26 at 7:42 am
Posted by texas tortilla
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:40 am to
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the trump team knows the optics are bad if we attack first. they know the country doesn't support this war.
Posted by BOHICAMAN
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:43 am to
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Secondary and tertiary effects… Don’t get me wrong. The F-35 is a monster at what it does well. Fat kid in a magic suit. But it is not anywhere near F-22 or 4th gen. It’s not a pure fighter. It’s AI, which it’s phenomenal at. The point is it could have been much better if they would have scrapped that cape and stoped this whole one size fits all bullshite.


Right. I agree that the VSTOL cape screwed up the program. I’m genuinely curious as to what disadvantages the conventional carrier F35 has compared to the Air Force F35.
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:44 am to
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China just published annotated satellite imagery of every F-22 Raptor at Israel’s Ovda Air Base. Each aircraft individually tagged in Chinese characters on Weibo. Eleven stealth fighters that cost $67 billion to develop for the sole purpose of being invisible, cataloged and distributed on social media like a restaurant menu.

The same week, China sold Iran CM-302 supersonic anti-ship missiles. The same week, China photographed every warship leaving Bahrain. And today, as Geneva talks began, Politico dropped the real bombshell buried beneath the diplomacy: senior Trump advisers prefer Israel to strike Iran first because “the politics are a lot better.”

Read that sentence until it burns.

Washington does not want to throw the first punch. Washington wants Israel to throw it, absorb Iran’s retaliation, and then use that retaliation as political justification for the full American response. The 500 aircraft, the two carriers, the F-22s, the C-17s, the munitions, all of it positioned not to lead but to follow. Israel pulls the trigger. Iran retaliates. America enters as the defender, not the aggressor. The politics are a lot better.

This is not a military strategy. This is a liability structure. And Israel knows it, which is why JPost reports Israeli officials believe the US should lead, not follow. Both allies want the other to go first. That hesitation is the most dangerous variable in the entire crisis.

Meanwhile in Geneva today, Araghchi arrived saying a deal has a “good outlook.” The talks are ongoing. No outcome. No breakthrough. No collapse. Just process, buying hours while the architecture outside the negotiating room grows by the day.

Now here is the dimension that explains everything China is doing.

Every missile the United States fires at Iran is a missile it cannot fire at China. Fox News reported in December that the US could burn through key munitions in one week of conflict over Taiwan. The Pentagon’s own war games show critical shortfalls in long-range anti-ship missiles, precision-guided munitions, and interceptors. An Iran campaign consuming hundreds of Tomahawks and thousands of JDAMs directly degrades the stockpile earmarked for the Taiwan contingency.

China is not just arming Iran. China is not just photographing American bases. China is measuring whether the United States will commit irreplaceable munitions to a Middle Eastern conflict while the Taiwan Strait remains unwatched. Every JDAM dropped on Fordow is a JDAM absent from a Taiwan scenario. Every Tomahawk spent on Isfahan is a destroyer magazine that will not be full when it matters most.

Beijing is running a strategic stress test in real time. Arm the adversary. Map the force disposition. Publish it to degrade operational security. Then watch whether Washington depletes itself against a regional power while the peer competitor conserves everything.

Iran is the bait. Taiwan is the prize. And every satellite image China publishes is a page in the manual they are writing for what comes after.????????????????
Posted by METAL
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:46 am to
Are you not still in. Can’t go get a brief on it?
Posted by Free888
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:47 am to
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China just published annotated satellite imagery of every F-22 Raptor at Israel’s Ovda Air Base. Each aircraft individually tagged in Chinese characters on Weibo. Eleven stealth fighters that cost $67 billion to develop for the sole purpose of being invisible, cataloged and distributed on social media like a restaurant menu.


Invisible when flying, not when sitting on a runway
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:48 am to
So what's the current state of negotiations?

Is the redline for U.S./Israel still zero enrichment? That is, Iran has to dismantle all nuclear enrichment facilities within the borders of Iran and can only purchase nuclear enriched material for energy production (3.8%) from outside sources. Is that the U.S./Israel redline?

Or has the redline shifted to ballistic missiles based on Marco Rubio's comments? I was under the impression that the diplomatic negotiation framework did not include ballistic missiles. Is the U.S./Israel attempting to expand the scope of the diplomatic negotiation framework to include ballistic missiles now?

And what about JD Vance's comments from Tuesday about Iran pursuing nuclear weapons? Is this news in terms of the timeline since the 12 Day War? Hasn't Iran already conceded that they will not pursue nuclear grade material for weapons?
Posted by BOHICAMAN
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:48 am to
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Are you not still in. Can’t go get a brief on it?


I wasn’t in the Air Force. And I’m out now anyway. It was my understanding the the VTOL element that the USMC demanded negatively affected the entire program, not just the Navy’s version.

If you can’t say on here it’s not that big of a deal. I was just curious
Posted by METAL
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:48 am to
Geopolitically
Posted by METAL
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:50 am to
It negatively affected the entire program.

I’m flying jets from the early 80s (and those are the “new models”)

And in a visual environment it’s like clubbing baby seals.
Posted by VolInBavaria
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:54 am to
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:55 am to
So is Israel not going first?
Posted by METAL
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 7:57 am to
That’s not what that means. It means there is one Dad dick in the room that authorizes these things to happen.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 8:00 am to
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Israeli officials told i24NEWS that unless the U.S. and Iran close their gaps quickly, Trump could have “no choice” but to authorize a strike.


Why does Trump have no choice?
Posted by METAL
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 8:01 am to
Meaning, Iran, left him with no choice.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 2/26/26 at 8:01 am to
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