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Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:12 pm to VoxDawg
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If you don't believe SecDef Hegseth will right the ship with a quickness, then that's on you.
Nowhere have I said he won’t or can’t but it’s the government it’s going to take time.
We have some insane military weapons technology at our disposal we haven’t even used yet. Let’s ‘test’ those out on the cartels. Shouldn’t have to risk a single soldier it’s all done remotely.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:17 pm to ronricks
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Milley and Austin absolutely wrecked our military.
No, they didn't. The US Army/Marines/Navy/Air Force is the most badass, technologically advanced, and lethal force that has ever existed.
We just spent 20 years fighting an insurgency in Afghanistan. It's a battle we know how to fight. One squadron of Reaper drones could take out the entire motor pool of the cartels.
The sound of those turbo fans at the 1:00 mark, would be the last thing the cartel "soldiers" will ever hear.
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:20 pm to holdmuh keystonelite
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Thats cute. There are said to be close to 500k of them in Mexico.
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On paper, the Iraqi military looked formidable. Its army was the fifth largest in the world, with some 950,000 personnel, 5,500 main battle tanks, 10,000 additional armoured vehicles, and nearly 4,000 artillery pieces. The Iraqi air force consisted of some 40,000 personnel and 689 combat aircraft. Both the army and air force had extensive combat experience from the Iran-Iraq War (1980–88), including the large-scale use of chemical weapons.
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Operation Desert Sabre lasted just 100 hours. Large numbers of Iraqi troops surrendered without fighting, collapsing under the cumulative effects of the prolonged coalition air campaign and the concentrated firepower and speed of the ground advance. Some 41 Iraqi divisions—30 infantry, 4 mechanized, and 7 armoured—were effectively wiped out, and the material losses suffered by the Iraqi military were staggering. Iraqi equipment captured or destroyed included 3,008 tanks, 1,856 armoured vehicles, and 2,140 artillery pieces.
Cute...
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:21 pm to Chromdome35
Just because I like the sound of the brrrrrrrrrrrrrrt...........
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:22 pm to Chromdome35
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One squadron of Reaper drones could take out the entire cartel.
What world do you guys live in that you believe a whole cartel is just all chilling in one spot? They are scattered and mixed all throughout Mexico and the communities.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:23 pm to holdmuh keystonelite
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What world do you guys live in that you believe a whole cartel is just all chilling in one spot? They are scattered and mixed all throughout Mexico and the communities.
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The Reaper has a range of 1,000 nmi (1,150 mi; 1,850 km) and an operational altitude of 25,000 ft (7,600 m), which makes it especially useful for long-term loitering operations, both for surveillance and support of ground troops.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:24 pm to theballguy
A fair amount of Cartel Enforcers are ex-military, a number with Airborne and USMC training. They're not totally hapless and should not be underestimated. In the right circumstances they can definitely ruin your day.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:26 pm to Rekrul
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The cartels would be wiped from the planet in 24-48 hours at most without the US military suffering a single injury due to the cartels
Unless all action is from the air, I don't think this will be true.
Have Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc taught us nothing?
Casualties come with boots on foreign ground.
Period.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:30 pm to Chromdome35
A-10 is an internet meme. It wasn't even that good at what it was designed for - killing tanks.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:32 pm to Chromdome35
…. with surgical precision and extreme prejudice…. day or night.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:39 pm to TrueTiger
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How many operational bombers and fighter jets does the Cartel have?
Have you seen their piece of shite submarines?
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:40 pm to SoFla Tideroller
no one cares Karen, the tier one will destroy the cartels
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So we're just shutting down all travel/trade with Mexico over land?
You can keep trade open at POE's. Everything else gets shut down, yes. Cartels are terrorists. They will do terrorist things. If people can't go visit Aunt Jessica in Juarez, tough shite.
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We don't have to put boots on the ground to disrupt and deny their freedom of maneuver within Mexico
How would we do this, exactly?
Cartels are not like the insurgent groups in Iraq that had to hide from us. They have had complete freedom to move in Mexico. Their bosses don't live among the people. Much of their supplies are not nested among the people. They already own the terrain, so they are not operating like insurgent forces. Our SIGINT capabilities already have everything there mapped out. Radios, phones, etc. We have the satellite images, the grids, and so forth. Targeting them and their supplies would be easy. Because they are not like typical insurgent groups, you can still maintain restrictive ROE. They'll go into the shadows after a bunch of them get clipped, but that won't matter because the border is the center of gravity. Disrupting their maneuver within Mexico is really a bonus and an enabling operation.
I'm no advocate for preemptive strikes on cartels. The border is the center of gravity. Lock that down and it's over. I'm just offering this as a for instance, if we did have to fight them. They stand no chance against any first world military. It's just not how the cartels are set up.
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:42 pm to Lynxrufus2012
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Good luck fighting against satellite imagery, cruise missiles, drones followed by F-35s, F-15s, B-52s, B-1Bs then A-10s, Apaches and then the C-130 gunships. If there is anything left good luck with the Bradley’s and Abram’s and even scarier a pissed off bunch of GIs.
I’d love to see a bunch of Abram’s tanks roll across the border into Juarez and wreck shite
Posted on 2/7/25 at 5:49 pm to JColtF
She's too young and dumb to remember "shock and awe"!
I hope she is hooked on meth and can't get her fix after the cartels are wiped out
I guess she doesn't have a lot of confidence in the LGBTAIQ+++++ military she wished for.
I hope she is hooked on meth and can't get her fix after the cartels are wiped out
I guess she doesn't have a lot of confidence in the LGBTAIQ+++++ military she wished for.
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:04 pm to idlewatcher
You can be sure our intelligence apparatus knows exactly where everyone of those SOB’s are located.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:09 pm to POTUS2024
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Everything else gets shut down, yes.
Well our economy is fricked, then.
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Cartels are terrorists. They will do terrorist things. If people can't go visit Aunt Jessica in Juarez, tough shite.
I don't care about this. I care about the billions that cross those borders daily that the cartels use to hide their product.
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They already own the terrain, so they are not operating like insurgent forces.
Today.
Y'all keep making arguments where "the cartels" is this static concept, both in terms of people, geography, etc.
Can we kill the people in power today, in their locations today? Almost assuredly. Will that stop the WOT2.0? No. New people will come into power and will adapt to our strategies. There is a reason these operations are so unsuccessful historically and require, effectively, empire.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There is a reason these operations are so unsuccessful historically and require, effectively, empire.
Essentially...we need a new cartel. One under our control.
There's a reason Strongmen come to power and then mayhem erupts in their absence.
They are a necessary evil
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