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re: US Military vs The Cartels
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:13 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:13 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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A-10 is an internet meme. It wasn't even that good at what it was designed for - killing tanks.
I don't care what it was designed for, it's the king of CAS. 130 Gunships are great but they're too vulnerable during daylight hours.
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:14 pm to JColtF
If the Cartels want a war, we should give them a war. It will be a War of Annihilation.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:15 pm to Flats
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130 Gunships are great but they're too vulnerable during daylight hours.
Versus what?
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:15 pm to TackySweater
So Prince can go in and steal some money and coke for himself. You guys have no idea about the sociopaths that abound in Special Forces.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:18 pm to wryder1
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I don’t want war
As soon as we have intelligence there will be strikes.
It's the new asymmetrical war on drugs.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:21 pm to JColtF
It's all fun and games until the Reaper drones start hitting compounds and Delta starts snatching people. While we may suck at occupations because we're not built for them, neither militarily nor politically, never underestimate American prowess at offensive warfare.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:26 pm to Tantal
The cartel bosses will retreat and hide in the large cities where they are hard to get to.
Probably move labs there too.
Probably move labs there too.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:27 pm to JColtF
I criticize the U.S. military as much as anyone but they would annihilate the cartels. It would be a pure bloodbath.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:29 pm to fr33manator
We could ask Quassem Soleimani about the difference in Trump led strikes vs what went on in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam I guess
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:29 pm to Lynxrufus2012
It would turn into a ground war against an insurgent like group. It would turn into a meat grinder fighting against random people that may or may not be cartel fighters.
I just think it wouldn’t be as easy as we think.
I just think it wouldn’t be as easy as we think.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:30 pm to Rekrul
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We could ask Quassem Soleimani about the difference in Trump led strikes vs what went on in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam I guess
What does this have to do with the price of tea in Juarez?
We killed plenty of muslims in Iraq/Afghanistan and VC in Vietnam. Didn't matter.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Y'all keep making arguments where "the cartels" is this static concept, both in terms of people, geography, etc.
Can we kill the people in power today, in their locations today? Almost assuredly. Will that stop the WOT2.0? No. New people will come into power and will adapt to our strategies. There is a reason these operations are so unsuccessful historically and require, effectively, empire.
Remember this, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were across the planet.
We were fighting a war in a place we didn't want to be.
Iraq was ironically reasonably successful so far.
A US engagement with Mexico would be aligned with supporting a democratic government, much like South Vietnam.
Note, US forces have learned a lot in the past 60 years.
Note, unlike with North Vietnam, there is currently no nation actively backing the cartels.
This is much like the successful repulsion of FARC in Colombia.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:33 pm to fr33manator
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Versus what?
I'm not sure if you're asking what are 130s vulnerable to or what CAS platforms are better during the day.
130s in a CAS pattern are vulnerable to damn near anything shoulder fired. I've been out of the game for a while so they may be just as vulnerable at night depending on what the baddies have, but daylight is bad. Look up Spirit 03.
The A-10 has much heavier armor and can (and has) survive much better under fire. It's not a Spectre and can't bring that sort of firepower but it doesn't need to bug out when the sun rises.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:33 pm to Chromdome35
Yes, they did. Our military is full of woke propaganda and people that have no place in warfare.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Use your brain for one second, Jake.
Here’s a hint, precision…
Here’s a hint, precision…
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:35 pm to Narax
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Remember this, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were across the planet.
Irrelevant.
We didn't lose them due to distance from DC and the logistics involved.
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Note, unlike with North Vietnam, there is currently no nation actively backing the cartels.
Which nation was actively backing the various groups in Afghanistan?
This is literally an opportunity with hundreds of billions of dollars at stake every year. People will sign up for the chance to ultimately be the guy.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:36 pm to Rekrul
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Use your brain for one second, Jake.
Here’s a hint, precision…
Sure, but we aren't killing isolated targets here.
There are estimates that up to 450k people work directly for the Mexican cartels
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:38 pm to Lord of the Hogs
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would turn into a ground war against an insurgent like group. It would turn into a meat grinder fighting against random people that may or may not be cartel fighters.
I just think it wouldn’t be as easy as we think
It wouldn't be easy at all. Even Erik Prince and other former tier 1 have said it would be nearly impossible to kill most of the Cartel because of how they live amongst the people. These guys on here talking about it taking 48 hours are truly delusional.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There are estimates that up to 450k people work directly for the Mexican cartels
I don't think we're worried about the teenagers in underwear bagging product. I'm not silly enough to think it would be a walk in the park but "cutting off the head of the snake" is a saying for a good reason.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:40 pm to Flats
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but "cutting off the head of the snake" is a saying for a good reason.
This happens somewhat regularly already, and we see what happens.
There is a power struggle, people die, and one group takes over ultimately.
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