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re: Venial Sin my butt!
Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:39 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:39 pm to Cheese Grits
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Says you.
If I knowing ate meat on Friday I got a beating from the nuns.
You may be right on paper but I had the welts to show how it really went.
Mortal isn’t just a descriptive term but has an actual definition. Eating meat on Fridays during Lent doesn’t meet that definition.
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:42 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:It certainly is. Reason reflects the very mind of God. Without God, there is no rational basis for an immaterial, universal, and unhanging concept like logic to make sense. You merely take logic and reason for granting without being able to account for its very existence.
You've made this ridiculous statement before. It is simply not true.
quote:Non-sequitur. whether you think my belief about the age of the earth is silly has nothing to do with the truth of my statement. You are a walking contradiction with no grounding for the reality you perceive to exist in and you are laughing at me. Sad.
The fact that it comes from someone who has admitted they they believe the Earth is 6000 years old makes it even more laughable.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:44 pm to roadGator
quote:I didn't hear it so I can't really comment about it, but I've heard similar types of statements in the past and I think they are blasphemous. I voted for Trump twice but have since come to the conviction that I can no longer vote for anyone that doesn't publicly honor Christ as Lord and Savior and act consistently with that profession.
What do you think of Trump comparing himself to Jesus today?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:46 pm to FooManChoo
quote:It's in those passed down traditions which are, as you know, far more important than the actual written Word of God.
Where did Jesus teach the Apocrypha was the Word of God?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:47 pm to AubieinNC2009
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No meat on Friday is just during lent,
Actually it should be every Friday of the year like it once was
Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:49 pm to Midtiger farm
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Actually it should be every Friday of the year like it once was
Why? More of those traditions?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:56 pm to MemphisGuy
Why do you celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:58 pm to FooManChoo
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It certainly is. Reason reflects the very mind of God. Without God, there is no rational basis for an immaterial, universal, and unhanging concept like logic to make sense. You merely take logic and reason for granting without being able to account for its very existence.
Word salad.
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Non-sequitur. whether you think my belief about the age of the earth is silly has nothing to do with the truth of my statement. You are a walking contradiction with no grounding for the reality you perceive to exist in and you are laughing at me. Sad.
OK. The Earth isn't 6000 years old. Posted on 3/25/24 at 3:59 pm to MemphisGuy
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Why? More of those traditions?
to commemorate the day of the week the Lord was crucified
If you do eat meat on Friday you should offer up another penance
Also you should only eat one full meal
Posted on 3/25/24 at 4:05 pm to Midtiger farm
quote:"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ" - Col. 2:16-17
to commemorate the day of the week the Lord was crucified
If you do eat meat on Friday you should offer up another penance
Also you should only eat one full meal
Posted on 3/25/24 at 4:24 pm to Midtiger farm
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to commemorate the day of the week the Lord was crucified
Ah... okay, now see... that is a good explanation as to why y'all do it. Thanks for that.
Same with why we celebrate the Sabbath on a Sunday. Jesus rose from the dead on the third day and the Holy Spirit came to the apostles on Sunday.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 3/25/24 at 4:33 pm to MemphisGuy
So you do something based on tradition and not what Scripture says.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 5:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:The celebration of the Christian Sabbath on the Lord's Day is based on Scripture. The Christians met together on Sundays as noted in the New Testament due to it being the day Christ rose from the dead. If there is scriptural support for not eating meat on Fridays due to a command from God or by good and necessary consequence from a command from God in the Bible, then I'll refrain from eating meat on that day.
So you do something based on tradition and not what Scripture says.
On the contrary, traditions regarding clean and unclean foods, eating foods sacrificed to idols, or other man-made traditions regarding food or holiday observances are either condemned or left up to the Christian's liberty.
I personally have no problem with anyone wanting to fast in various ways, but I have a problem with making such things requirements where God's Word doesn't require them.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 5:08 pm to FooManChoo
Thank you for that explanation. I like you, Foo. You're generally a good guy. I obviously disagree with a lot of your views.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 6:04 pm to Prodigal Son
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Discussion, sure. But, I wouldn’t say that it has no impact on salvation.
I get what you are saying! and I would say I agree.
I've said this in another thread but basically I believe that our salvation comes down to our relationship with Jesus. I look to the Gospel parables when Jesus says I did not know you. It's an oversimplification I'll admit but if we don't have a relationship with God here on earth how can we expect to have one with him in heaven?
I like and kinda hate to
the saying of St. Jerome. Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. If we don't believe that Jesus the word made flesh and the scriptures are his word then what kind of relationship do we have with Jesus? The nature of inerrancy is a matter of theology and believing one type of inerrancy isn't necessary for salvation, but I agree it could lead you to serious error if you don't believe it! I do like your analogy. I guess to clarify my view, scripture is inerrant but the way it is inerrant is up to interpretation in some senses. Unless the Church has definitely stated something, it is up to interpretation as long as it isn't contrary to what the Church or scripture teaches.
Hope you have a nice holy week! This is my favorite week of the year!
Posted on 3/25/24 at 6:28 pm to FooManChoo
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meal"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ" - Col. 2:16-17
Nobody is getting judged on food or drink you Protestant heathen
If anything you are judging Catholics on our beliefs
Posted on 3/25/24 at 7:09 pm to FooManChoo
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But more to the point, it's not even a difference in interpretation that is in question with Champagne. He isn't saying that he merely holds to a different interpretation of the text. He's essentially ridiculing me for believing a natural reading of the text by itself. He is being critical of me because I'm not changing my interpretation of the Bible to conform to other man-made theories. That isn't merely an interpretational issue, but an issue of authority.
I don’t see it that way. Champagne is most likely unable to delude himself as well as you are able to delude yourself, and he sees the incontrovertible facts that modern science has revealed, and is forced to reinterpret the Bible (perhaps many passages as allegory) in light of this evidently true reality (e.g. round earth, biological evolution, old universe, etc.). You are both using the same books with the same authority. He gives some authority to the church while you do not, but the church is still using the Bible to establish its doctrines (while using tradition - some of it pagan in origin - for a lot of its practices).
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I'm not going to bother arguing with you about this as it won't do a thing to change your mind.
I think you are embarrassed because it is truly indefensible, but I’d sure like to see you try. You literally believe this:
God had to send himself to be sacrificed to pay himself off as a ransom for the sins of his perfect creation that he made incapable of following his rules and incapable of not sinning… all because he was incapable of simply forgiving his creation… all to save his creations from an afterlife of torture and misery that he himself created.
It sounds ridiculous because it is. You can’t deny that’s what you believe though.
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you simply can't admit that the God who created you exists and you are rebelling against Him
You have deluded yourself completely retarded with your vicious circular logic. I guess you are referring to Romans 1:19-20 “there’s no such thing as atheists”. It is downright stupid - I’m sorry - but idiotic to believe that atheists and all the adherents of the other religions really believe in Jesus but reject him for whatever dumb reason you can invent (they just want to sin!). Think about this - if we/they knew Jesus was really divine and that rejecting him would send us to an eternity of torture, how could we/they be anything but Christian?
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You … hate that there might be a God that will judge you
Stop it.
You HATE Zeus, and Thor, and Ahura Mazda, and Ra, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You hate them and are rejecting them though you know they are real and that they created you. They will judge you and you will have to answer to them. You hate that don’t you.
Sounds silly, doesn’t it?
Posted on 3/25/24 at 7:58 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I like you, Foo. You're generally a good guy.
Remember that foo believes that abortion, infanticide, and murder of innocent women, children, and animals is morally justified. He thinks it is morally justified for you to be tortured for eternity, not based on your actions or works, but based on a lack of belief - a thought crime.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:02 pm to Squirrelmeister
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So, historical claims that have been verified by modern science have no validity in your opinion? Interesting.
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Straw man
How so? The Bible claims the universe (heavens and earth) had a beginning. Science confirms that. You deny it, and cling to your oscillating universe theory. The only thing made of straw is your ability to reason beyond your own presuppositions.
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Source? When did they stop teaching Big Bang cosmology?
Your answer: Universe existed before cosmic inflation
I’m sorry. I was completely unaware that bigthink.can’t was the arbiter of truth that is now providing lesson plans to high schools and universities.
Let’s assess. Your article claims:
When cosmic inflation was first put forth and developed in the early 1980s, it separated the two definitions of the Big Bang, proposing that the early hot, dense state never achieved these singular conditions, but rather that a new, inflationary state preceded it.
Well, that’s weird. If the laws of physics break down at the point of the singularity, then how do scientists use their science to explain what happened before space, time and matter came to not measurable existence?
We’d love to say more about the Universe than that, but unfortunately, those are the observable limits: fluctuations and imprints on larger scales leave no effect on the Universe that we can see
I can summarize this article in one statement:
“We have faith that the universe existed before the Big Bang.”
Even if the multiverse, or the oscillating universe theories were true, the illogical nature of infinity past necessitates a beginning.
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You’re Mac
Love that! :lol:
I agree. And, I suppose that makes you the “science bitch.”
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The smartest guys on the planet haven’t men able to create matter or energy.
No kidding? Whodathunkit? So, you’re telling me, that created beings in a closed system lack the ability to create themselves? Revolutionary.
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The truth is that even if matter and energy were created, no one knows how or why. To say that you know that your God did it puts the burden of proof on you, not me
So, you can’t prove the premise wrong. Gotcha. Thanks.
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Begging the question
Nope. Begging for an intellectually honest conversation? Yes.
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That is your choice to ignore the clear evidence that Genesis 1 is a retelling the the Mesopotamian myth
I’m glad you brought that up. Since you have failed put forth a rational philosophical argument, I suppose we’ll move on (back) to the shallow and clear waters of historical context of ancient writings.
Don’t you find it interesting, that from creation up to the flood, there are seemingly inexplicable similarities between creation and flood accounts? Like there was a shared history all the way up until the Tower of Babel, and as these cultures divided, histories diverged. The fact that multiple cultures attest to the same events (albeit in different ways) only adds plausibility to the claim that they are all based in some truth, and that one of them is true. You can write it off as plagiarism and coincidence, but you most certainly cannot prove that claim, any more than I can prove mine. Which brings us right back to where we started- interpretation of evidence based on presuppositions. Just like the Bible says.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 8:32 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:Thank you for the kind remarks.
Thank you for that explanation. I like you, Foo. You're generally a good guy. I obviously disagree with a lot of your views.
I know you disagree with me, but I hope you believe me when I say that I truly do hope you turn from your current way of living life and embrace the gospel of Jesus Christ to be reconciled with God. I don't see these discussions as games or mental exercises, but I want you and others to be saved, even if you don't think you are in danger. I don't hate you at all, but love you. I wouldn't bother engaging you and others on these issues if I didn't care about you and desire your good.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 8:38 pm
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