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re: Video of the shooter for those that haven’t seen it
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:57 am to hogcard1964
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:57 am to hogcard1964
No chance
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:57 am to Tyga Woods
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Except she wasn’t following the law.
Neither was Congress.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:57 am to Simplemaaan
Nah. She’s fricked around found out.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:57 am to TDsngumbo
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He didn't know if she was unarmed or not.
Yeah. That’s not a defense either.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:58 am to the808bass
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Cops can’t shoot the first person who breaks through a barrier as a lesson to the rest.
Pretty sure they can if they are protecting a route to the VP/Congress.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:58 am to LEASTBAY
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Deadly force for breaking inside? I don't know the answer
If somebody breaks into your home, you would know the answer and wouldn't think twice. Come on people, think.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:58 am to Tyga Woods
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Obviously she wasn’t a threat and could’ve been handled without firing a shot
You don’t know that and the cops wouldn’t have in that moment. They certainly aren’t trained that way. She could have had a weapon or a vest on is the way they’re trained
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:58 am to TDsngumbo
Anyone know her name? Say it!
No????
Wonder why.
No????
Wonder why.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:58 am to BiteMe2020
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Except she wasn’t following the law.
Neither was Congress.
I don’t recall any members of the House or Senate being killed.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:58 am to pvilleguru
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Pretty sure they can if they are protecting a route to the VP/Congress.
No. They still can’t.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:59 am to tigerskin
Well that makes it pretty obvious that the doorway there was where the buck stopped. The guy was standing there weapon drawn, anyone with a brain could see he wasn't fricking around. Also makes it pretty obvious that the police on the other side of the door weren't part of the same group that the shooter was.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:59 am to tigerskin
This is a clear case of a murder that will be given a pass simply because of what side of the political aisle you are on.
Just like the election. Crime and fraud are allowed because of what side it occurred.
Just like the election. Crime and fraud are allowed because of what side it occurred.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:59 am to Napoleon
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That was a bad shoot.
Mannnnnn idk about that. It was really clear that they were not going to let anyone through that window. This isn't Seattle PD.
The time and place to put the clamps on our representatives was long ago in our own states, not in DC as they are counting the votes. It was too late, and what was going on right there was a serious security threat. I have a hard time arguing that capital PD was obligated to let those people through that window at that time.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:59 am to TDsngumbo
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If somebody breaks into your home
She wasn’t breaking into someone’s home.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:00 am to pvilleguru
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They clearly drew a line in the sand and she was the first to cross it.
You don't dare a security person with a drawn weapon to shoot you. That's what she did. That raised firearm was in plain view to her. She decided to take the risk that he wouldn't shoot her.
If she was BLM, this board would be buying that shooter drinks for life.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:00 am to TDsngumbo
I wouldn’t be surprised if the shooter was secret service.
That explains the difference in demeanor between the cops on the other side of the door and the agents behind the barricade.
This will be an unpopular opinion but I tend to agree with chromedrome.
Climbing through the window of a door with people on the other side pointing guns is clearly a “win stupid prizes” moment. A regular citizen carrying legally would have a punchers chance in court with this shoot because they have no idea what the intentions of the mob are on the other side.
Ignoring orders to stay away and actively climbing through, yeah you’re gonna get shot. Agents have no idea if you have a bomb, a hidden gun, or whatever. I doubt all those people went through a metal detector.
That explains the difference in demeanor between the cops on the other side of the door and the agents behind the barricade.
This will be an unpopular opinion but I tend to agree with chromedrome.
Climbing through the window of a door with people on the other side pointing guns is clearly a “win stupid prizes” moment. A regular citizen carrying legally would have a punchers chance in court with this shoot because they have no idea what the intentions of the mob are on the other side.
Ignoring orders to stay away and actively climbing through, yeah you’re gonna get shot. Agents have no idea if you have a bomb, a hidden gun, or whatever. I doubt all those people went through a metal detector.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:00 am to tigerskin
It’s really amazing how a clear and present danger can be mitigated with only one shot, no?
I mean when such an enormous threat to the country and our entire way of life can be stopped with a single bullet, we all should sleep a little better.
Obvious too, is the argument against any kind of magazine holding more than a single round. Because a battallion-strength invasion of the capitol by wretched, determined, and militarily-armed combatants who were within mere seconds and inches from snuffing out the lives of countless government officials was effectively thwarted by a single bullet.
So obviously justified...
I mean when such an enormous threat to the country and our entire way of life can be stopped with a single bullet, we all should sleep a little better.
Obvious too, is the argument against any kind of magazine holding more than a single round. Because a battallion-strength invasion of the capitol by wretched, determined, and militarily-armed combatants who were within mere seconds and inches from snuffing out the lives of countless government officials was effectively thwarted by a single bullet.
So obviously justified...
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:00 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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It was really clear that they were not going to let anyone through that window. This isn't Seattle PD.
It wasn’t really clear at all. There were 10 policemen on the same side of the window as her. They clearly did not have the same understanding of that window that the shooter did. 5 of them walked away from the situation right before she was shot.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:00 am to the808bass
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If somebody breaks into your home
She wasn’t breaking into someone’s home.
In Louisiana and some other states, the law says that if you are lawfully in your home or another building, you can use deadly force to prevent someone else from entering that building unlawfully.
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§20. Justifiable homicide
(4)(a) When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40) when the conflict began, against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.
I'm sure similar laws are elsewhere. Not sure about DC but we're talking about the United States Capitol building where the fricking vice president and literally every member of congress were at the time. People need to stop being fricking stupid here. This was very interesting to watch but this was just as wrong as the rioting in cities across the country that we've seen over the past few years.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 9:04 am
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:01 am to the808bass
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She wasn’t breaking into someone’s home.
Indeed. She was on public property, paid for and maintained by HER tax dollars.
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