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re: WA state, Inslee signs sweeping "assault weapon" ban
Posted on 4/26/23 at 11:37 am to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 4/26/23 at 11:37 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Big Scrub TX
then you obviously support the most recent North Dakota abortion ban?
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 11:56 am to Rebel
quote:Didn't know about it and don't care at all what they do re abortion.
then you obviously support the most recent North Dakota abortion ban?
But don't take my citing of history as being pro some assault weapons ban. It's dumb - both practically and philosophically.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 11:58 am to Beardlington
An assault weapons ban should never fly. If your state Supreme Court upholds a ban on any weapons, you have my permission to use those weapons that overthrow your state government. The constitution will be on your side.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
When the 2nd amendment was written, the Bill of Rights applied ONLY to the fedgov. That is to say - explicitly - that states were free to do whatever they wanted...including fully ban any aspect of firearm ownership or use.
Oh I see. So you are a big federalism guy. You cool with states seceding as well? How would you feel about states not sending money to the federal government or requiring their citizens to pay income tax? You cool if states ignore the 19th Ammendment? Just want to make sure you are being consistent?
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:16 pm to keakar
quote:
even a pencil can be used as an assault weapon, they plan to ban those too?
Nomenclature is everything to these people. And when a definition doesn't fit their narrative, they change the definition to fit the narrative.
They will NEVER STOP and that's why you NEVER cede even a single inch of ground.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:21 pm to burger bearcat
quote:I'm a big history guy. I cite historical facts that a lot of you are ignorant of.
Oh I see. So you are a big federalism guy.
quote:I'd be cool with that if I thought it were clearly constitutional, but it isn't.
You cool with states seceding as well?
quote:I'd be OK with repealing the 16th amendment. As it stands now, it's constitutional.
How would you feel about states not sending money to the federal government or requiring their citizens to pay income tax?
quote:I think you're confused about the Bill of Rights and incorporation. Get back to me when you read up a little.
You cool if states ignore the 19th Ammendment? Just want to make sure you are being consistent?
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:23 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
That is to say - explicitly - that states were free to do whatever they wanted...including fully ban any aspect of firearm ownership or use.
And conversely a state can declare it's citizens members of the militia and give all of them an AR15.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:25 pm to Beardlington
The ONLY reason that politicians would want to take guns from Law-Abiding citizens is that they (politicians) intend to do things to the law-abiding citizens that the law-abiding citizens would shoot them (politicians) for.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:26 pm to Beardlington
quote:
“These weapons of war have no reason other than mass murder. Their only purpose is to kill humans as rapidly as possible in large numbers,” Inslee said. “And I will say this–AR15s should not be idolized, they should be prohibited and that’s what we’re doing today.”
The British government cried about these 250 years ago. We'll eventually throw off this ilk as well.
https://villagehiker.com/research-writing/history/did-founding-fathers-forsee-assault-rifle-vh-01.html
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:28 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
When the 2nd amendment was written, the Bill of Rights applied ONLY to the fedgov. That is to say - explicitly - that states were free to do whatever they wanted...including fully ban any aspect of firearm ownership or use.
Okay.
Now do the 19th
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:30 pm to GoldenGuy
quote:The 19th wasn't in the Bill of Rights and was ratified in the incorporation era.
Now do the 19th
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:30 pm to TrueTiger
quote:I don't necessarily disagree with that - just don't expect Inslee to do so.
And conversely a state can declare it's citizens members of the militia and give all of them an AR15.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:45 pm to Big Scrub TX
he won't, but Texas might
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:47 pm to TrueTiger
quote:Would you be down for a Switzerland type of militia set up?
he won't, but Texas might
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:55 pm to EKG
I was in the military with guys from Spokane. Very hard left and also loved guns.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:00 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
quote:
I was in the military with guys from Spokane. Very hard left
Spokane is very conservative compared to the western half of the state.
quote:
left and also loved guns.
Oh well.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:02 pm to Big Scrub TX
Not opposed to it.
States need to consider flooding the zone with state issued weapons. And that would be totally within the left's interpretation that the 2A applies to states not the people. Congress could do nothing but millions of state citizens would have guns.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:10 pm to Beardlington
(2)(a) "Assault weapon" means:
(i) Any of the following specific firearms regardless of which company produced and manufactured the firearm:
AK-47 in all forms
AK-74 in all forms
Algimec AGM-1 type semiautomatic
American Arms Spectre da semiautomatic carbine
AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms
AR 180 type semiautomatic
Argentine L.S.R. semiautomatic
Australian Automatic
Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semiautomatics
Barrett .50 cal light semiautomatic
Barrett .50 cal M87
Barrett .50 cal M107A1
Barrett REC7
Beretta AR70/S70 type semiautomatic
Bushmaster Carbon 15
Bushmaster ACR
Bushmaster XM-15
Bushmaster MOE
Calico models M100 and M900
CETME Sporter
CIS SR 88 type semiautomatic
Colt CAR 15
Daewoo K-1
Daewoo K-2
Dragunov semiautomatic
Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms
Fabrique Nationale F2000
Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter
Fabrique Nationale M249S
Fabrique Nationale PS90
Fabrique Nationale SCAR
FAMAS .223 semiautomatic
Galil
Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms
Heckler & Koch HK-41/91
Heckler & Koch HK-43/93
Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3
Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms
Heckler & Koch PSG-1
Heckler & Koch SL8
Heckler & Koch UMP
Manchester Arms Commando MK-45
Manchester Arms MK-9
SAR-4800
SIG AMT SG510 in all forms
SIG SG550 in all forms
SKS
Spectre M4
Springfield Armory BM-59
Springfield Armory G3
Springfield Armory SAR-8
Springfield Armory SAR-48
Springfield Armory SAR-3
Springfield Armory M-21 sniper
Springfield Armory M1A
Smith & Wesson M&P 15
Sterling Mk 1
Sterling Mk 6/7
Steyr AUG
TNW M230
FAMAS F11
Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle
(ii) A semiautomatic rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches;
(iii) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; or
(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
(A) A grip that is independent or detached from the stock that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. The addition of a fin attaching the grip to the stock does not exempt the grip if it otherwise resembles the grip found on a pistol;
(B) Thumbhole stock;
(C) Folding or telescoping stock;
(D) Forward pistol, vertical, angled, or other grip designed for use by the nonfiring hand to improve control;
(E) Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm;
(F) Muzzle brake, recoil compensator, or any item designed to be affixed to the barrel to reduce recoil or muzzle rise;
(G) Threaded barrel designed to attach a flash suppressor, sound suppressor, muzzle break, or similar item;
(H) Grenade launcher or flare launcher; or
(I) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat, except a solid forearm of a stock that covers only the bottom of the barrel;
(v) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds;
(vi) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(B) A second hand grip;
(C) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat, except a solid forearm of a stock that covers only the bottom of the barrel; or
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip;
(vii) A semiautomatic shotgun that has any of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock;
(B) A grip that is independent or detached from the stock that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. The addition of a fin attaching the grip to the stock does not exempt the grip if it otherwise resembles the grip found on a pistol;
(C) A thumbhole stock;
(D) A forward pistol, vertical, angled, or other grip designed for use by the nonfiring hand to improve control;
(E) A fixed magazine in excess of seven rounds; or
(F) A revolving cylinder shotgun.
(b) For the purposes of this subsection, "fixed magazine" means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.
(c) "Assault weapon" does not include antique firearms, any firearm that has been made permanently inoperable, or any firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action.
(i) Any of the following specific firearms regardless of which company produced and manufactured the firearm:
AK-47 in all forms
AK-74 in all forms
Algimec AGM-1 type semiautomatic
American Arms Spectre da semiautomatic carbine
AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms
AR 180 type semiautomatic
Argentine L.S.R. semiautomatic
Australian Automatic
Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semiautomatics
Barrett .50 cal light semiautomatic
Barrett .50 cal M87
Barrett .50 cal M107A1
Barrett REC7
Beretta AR70/S70 type semiautomatic
Bushmaster Carbon 15
Bushmaster ACR
Bushmaster XM-15
Bushmaster MOE
Calico models M100 and M900
CETME Sporter
CIS SR 88 type semiautomatic
Colt CAR 15
Daewoo K-1
Daewoo K-2
Dragunov semiautomatic
Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms
Fabrique Nationale F2000
Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter
Fabrique Nationale M249S
Fabrique Nationale PS90
Fabrique Nationale SCAR
FAMAS .223 semiautomatic
Galil
Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms
Heckler & Koch HK-41/91
Heckler & Koch HK-43/93
Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3
Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms
Heckler & Koch PSG-1
Heckler & Koch SL8
Heckler & Koch UMP
Manchester Arms Commando MK-45
Manchester Arms MK-9
SAR-4800
SIG AMT SG510 in all forms
SIG SG550 in all forms
SKS
Spectre M4
Springfield Armory BM-59
Springfield Armory G3
Springfield Armory SAR-8
Springfield Armory SAR-48
Springfield Armory SAR-3
Springfield Armory M-21 sniper
Springfield Armory M1A
Smith & Wesson M&P 15
Sterling Mk 1
Sterling Mk 6/7
Steyr AUG
TNW M230
FAMAS F11
Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle
(ii) A semiautomatic rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches;
(iii) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled or from which a firearm can be converted into an assault weapon if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; or
(iv) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
(A) A grip that is independent or detached from the stock that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. The addition of a fin attaching the grip to the stock does not exempt the grip if it otherwise resembles the grip found on a pistol;
(B) Thumbhole stock;
(C) Folding or telescoping stock;
(D) Forward pistol, vertical, angled, or other grip designed for use by the nonfiring hand to improve control;
(E) Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm;
(F) Muzzle brake, recoil compensator, or any item designed to be affixed to the barrel to reduce recoil or muzzle rise;
(G) Threaded barrel designed to attach a flash suppressor, sound suppressor, muzzle break, or similar item;
(H) Grenade launcher or flare launcher; or
(I) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat, except a solid forearm of a stock that covers only the bottom of the barrel;
(v) A semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds;
(vi) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(B) A second hand grip;
(C) A shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat, except a solid forearm of a stock that covers only the bottom of the barrel; or
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip;
(vii) A semiautomatic shotgun that has any of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock;
(B) A grip that is independent or detached from the stock that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. The addition of a fin attaching the grip to the stock does not exempt the grip if it otherwise resembles the grip found on a pistol;
(C) A thumbhole stock;
(D) A forward pistol, vertical, angled, or other grip designed for use by the nonfiring hand to improve control;
(E) A fixed magazine in excess of seven rounds; or
(F) A revolving cylinder shotgun.
(b) For the purposes of this subsection, "fixed magazine" means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.
(c) "Assault weapon" does not include antique firearms, any firearm that has been made permanently inoperable, or any firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:15 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
When the 2nd amendment was written, the Bill of Rights applied ONLY to the fedgov. That is to say - explicitly - that states were free to do whatever they wanted...including fully ban any aspect of firearm ownership or use.
It was only later "activist" courts - you hate them, amirite? - that "incorporated" the amendments and held that they applied - at least in part - to states.
Even with that argument, the state constitution has a right to bear arms clause:
quote:
SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.
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