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re: WaPo Outright Lie of a Headline: Transcript Shows QPQ
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:56 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:56 pm to buckeye_vol
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This is where the lack of verifiable evidence lies. In fact, the Ukrainian government recently stated that Biden was not under investigation. And this prosecutor who was widely considered corrupt himself, part of a broader issue of Ukranian corruption, which is the "official" reason for his ousting. And it was not just the United States calling for his removal, it was a slew of nations and organizations.
There is a reason we have a lack of evidence. Our ambassador to Ukraine was stonewalling Ukrainian officials that have key information.
We also have bad actors in our DOJ that also have been stonewalling. These Ukrainian officials are trying to get this information over to the US for us to act however some folks are turning a blind eye or flat out ignoring them.....
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:59 pm to buckeye_vol
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Should I start getting my information from random YouTubers?
Oh you mean it is difficult to find this footage in searches or on YouTube? Not surprising. A recording is a recording.
I think you have done a good job of illustrating your bias. You stated the shadowy explanations for Biden's statements about the foreign aid and the prosecutor. Yet, you are willing to apply equal mental calisthenics to convict President Trump in the current matter.
On a broader level, this is exactly what the MSM does on a daily basis.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:05 pm to TSmith
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I think you have done a good job of illustrating your bias
Buckeye_vol is another one of our "oh, I'm the voice of reason" deflectors on the board
It's really kinda funny at this point. There's about 4-5 of them at any given time and they all act like they invented the ruse.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:09 pm to roadGator
quote:What do you mean I don't care about them? Our political leaders make unfounded accusations about others all the time, including Trump. I hate when they do it, but it's still something that should be reported on, especially when the accusations could potentially be used for something extreme like impeachment, prosecution, to hurt someone's election chances, etc.
You don't care about unfounded accusations against Trump.
I just don't understand what everyone's issue is. The D's have been accusing Trump of a quid pro quo arrangement with Ukraine regarding an investigation of the leading D candidate for the 2020 presidential nomination. Furthermore, they have been using that as a reason that Trump needs impeached. The accusations, the parties involved, and the consequences are serious and should be reported.
With the release of the memo, the administration is showing that the Biden investigation and the QUID part are true but we don't know whether the most contentious and consequential part of it, the QUO, is true. Regardless, new information IS important and should be reported, which is why they released it anyways. In addition, accusations and the possibility of impeachment are still present.
So I don't know how anyone would have an issue of an article that reported the facts of the new information, the facts about the DOJ determining a campaign finance crime did not occur, AND the facts that the leaders of Congress are still accusing Trump of wrongdoing. Now if the article argued that this was evidence of wrongdoing, which it did not, then that would be a good reason to be critical of it.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:22 pm to Magician2
quote:While that may be true regarding the ambassador, we still lack the evidence to make claims of some truths. I mean I'm fine with investigating it to determine what happened, which is why I don't have an issue with Trump offering assistance to investigate it. But that's a lot different than claiming that we know what happened if we don't have any evidence of what happened.
There is a reason we have a lack of evidence. Our ambassador to Ukraine was stonewalling Ukrainian officials that have key information.
quote:I'm skeptical of this. Not only because this came from a very poor source (John Solomon), but it really doesn't make sense to me. In order to be unable to convey this information in 2019 with all of the forms of communications and ability to connect people and information, would require pretty much the entire executive branch apparatus to be stonewalling them.
These Ukrainian officials are trying to get this information over to the US for us to act however some folks are turning a blind eye or flat out ignoring them
They say that they were denied a Visa, but there are many other ways to transmit information, and I find it questionable that they couldn't find someone or someway (travel for a different purpose) to obtain a visa and enter the United States. In addition, as they showed by being able to convey that information to Solomon, they could have also some other means to convey it without traveling.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:27 pm to buckeye_vol
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don't have any evidence
You keep repeating this npr-esque falsehood.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:29 pm to TSmith
quote:What? This is the exact quote of mine that you referenced in your first response:
Yet, you are willing to apply equal mental calisthenics to convict President Trump in the current matter.
quote:So I explicitly question the evidence, or lack thereof, to make the accusations against BOTH Trump and Biden, and now you're accusing me of the exact opposite of that in regards to Trump?
This has about as much verifiable and objective evidence as Trump doing the same to investigate Biden
quote:Yet, what does that say about your bias, when I explicitly point out the lack of evidence to support the accusations against BOTH Biden and Trump, yet you conclude I'm allowing Biden of the hook but am ready to convict Trump?
I think you have done a good job of illustrating your bias.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:36 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:Well if it's false, then show me the evidence that Biden's actions were to protect his son. I'm not arguing that it didn't happen, I'm arguing that I haven't seen any evidence of it; however, if the evidence exists then I would be wrong to say it doesn't because I haven't seen it. But you're free to prove me wrong at anytime and present it.
You keep repeating this npr-esque falsehood.
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