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Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:43 am to
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6157 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:43 am to
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Maybe, but we aren't there right now, and that's the point he made.


You will argue for the measures taken based on future vs current deaths....

But will justify the economic ramifications based on the current vs projected status of the economy.

You can’t have it both ways so you are either disingenuous or clueless.
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:48 am to
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You will argue for the measures taken based on future vs current deaths....

But will justify the economic ramifications based on the current vs projected status of the economy.


I have data that shows what happens when nothing is done to slow the spread of coronavirus.

You have nothing that shows we'll experience a complete and global economic shut down if Americans stay home for a few weeks.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:50 am to
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Ok. If 5 billion people get coronavirus


More deflection.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:52 am to
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More deflection.


Speculation was just fine for you previously:

quote:

won't get the China Virus.



Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
31095 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:54 am to
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They should've come here and asked the experts, I suppose.

They are some experts on here FYI.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6157 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:56 am to
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I have data that shows what happens when nothing is done to slow the spread of coronavirus


You have projections, not actual data that can be 100% relied on as it relates to the impact the virus will have in the US.

Important distinction.

You do understand that correct?

So what are the key data points we should focus on to determine how long we remain in mandatory quarantine/shelter in place?
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:01 am to
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You have projections, not actual data that can be 100% relied on as it relates to the impact the virus will have in the US.


Read this again.

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I have data that shows what happens when nothing is done to slow the spread of coronavirus


I didn't say anything about 100% reliability for impact in the US. That's all you.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3809 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:04 am to
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Less than 50,000 cases in a country of 60 million people. The way the media is reacting to the Italian numbers you'd think half the population was infected.


How many tests has Italy administered?
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6157 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:06 am to
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I didn't say anything about 100% reliability for impact in the US. That's all you.


Fair enough but I assume you are in the US and would acknowledge that our economy drives the world economy for the most part.

You didn’t answer my question, since you are a data expert, what data points should we focus on to determine how long we remain in mandatory quarantine/shelter in place?
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:10 am to
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Fair enough but I assume you are in the US and would acknowledge that our economy drives the world economy for the most part.


I would agree with that. The only point I made was that the poster I replied to was overreacting for effect. We aren't going to have a global economic shut down in the same way coronavirus isn't going to kill most of the population.

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You didn’t answer my question, since you are a data expert, what data points should we focus on to determine how long we remain in mandatory quarantine/shelter in place?



All of them, if we're going to be good analysts.
Posted by houndstooth
Member since Mar 2020
19 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:11 am to
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Washington nursing home caused this entire panic and jacked up the death rate.


35 died there, there are now 10x that many deaths nationwide (and accelerating)
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6157 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:19 am to
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35 died there, there are now 10x that many deaths nationwide (and accelerating


Increasing not accelerating. Important distinction.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6157 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 12:15 pm to
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All of them, if we're going to be good analysts


Correct. Including economic data. Economists projected over 2.0 million jobless claims this week, 8 times normal. I’d assume that will continue to increase. Studies have shown unemployment accounts for 1 in 5 suicides. That increase alone could surpass the deaths associated with the virus not taking into consideration other factors like depression, anxiety, malnutrition, substance abuse, etc.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
54277 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:19 pm to
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Link?


Pnuemonia usually does not cause permanent lung damage. But it can. Plus we don't know whether C19 pneumonia is more damaging than the non-C19 variety.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127289 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:23 pm to
So no link?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127289 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:25 pm to
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We aren't going to have a global economic shut down


In Q2 of 2008, our GDP contracted by ~2%.

Early estimates have Q2 2020 US GDP contracting by 20%.

You’re arguing syntax at this point.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
23400 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:26 pm to
35 there 6 in New Orleans at least. Are deaths at 350? Last I saw was 150
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:28 pm to
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Yes, it was full of old people with pre=existing conditions.


As of yesterday, there were cases in three different nursing homes in Arkansas.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127289 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:32 pm to
This is like Norovirus but more deadly for nursing homes. Just awful.

Hopefully we don’t repeat the Life Care Kirkland debacle.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
54277 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 4:54 pm to
I can't link common knowledge, brosef.

You want to go on record with the proclamation that, according to you, nobody who ever recovered from pneumonia ever had any residual impairment of lung capacity of a permanent nature? AND that, since this is so, NOBODY who ever had or will have C19 induced pneumonia will ever have permanent lung damage?

You're building a shaky platform there.

This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 4:59 pm
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