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re: Well, this US rocket weapon is another ridiculous Ukraine escalation
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:14 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:14 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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Ukraine should just admit the territory is lost
And by doing that you encourage China to invade Taiwan and wink-wink to Taiwan to say "eh, all is lost, might as well give up".
You don't win a war by giving up.
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:21 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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Just concede the loss of land and call for peace. It isn't something that hasn't been done for millennia. Work out a peace deal, end the killing, start clearing the farmland and territories of unexploded munitions and work on making the region prosperous again.
Again, you are awarding countries who attack others and we should not be doing that. And Russia will not stop with Ukraine. Surely everyone knows Russia and Hamas are the best of friends. Poland and the Baltic States are next.
And the Russians have taken over the "best" parts of Ukraine in terms of farmaland and natural resources.
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There are significant energy resource implications in the invasion of the eastern Russian-separatist regions of Donetsk and Luhansk as well as in Ukraine’s surrounding border regions. Donetsk and Luhansk are home to some of the largest coal and natural gas deposits. Luhansk is a key entry point for the Soyuz pipeline carrying Russian gas through Ukraine to the Balkan and southeastern European nations. Were these provinces to split off into independent states, Ukraine would lose future revenues while Russia gained access to significant mineral resources.
If Russian forces succeed in holding the city of Kharkiv, northwest of Luhansk province, troops could move into Ukraine’s interior. Not only are significant natural gas and coal deposits in production along this corridor, but enormous amounts of potential deposits still exist throughout the Donets coal region and the Dneiper-Donets oil and gas basin. As Russia increases gas prices, the EU could shift to using lower-cost and easily available coal. But if Russia controls the coal basin, Putin could threaten the EU with pricing pressure on this resource.
EU countries are currently maintaining-lower-than normal natural gas reserves, at an average 31 percent below capacity for this time of year, roughly half that of 2020. To increase supplies, the EU needs to diversify resources by increasing liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the US and Qatar, while maximizing pipeline flows from Algeria, Azerbaijan, and Norway. Natural gas must be cooled to a minus 260 degrees to be condensed into liquid form for storage, then shipped to specifically designed seaport centers. This dynamic is already raising energy prices on the world markets and the US stands to gain from LNG exports.
Along with coal, the EU might shift to using alternative energy and nuclear power. Ukraine has one of the largest deposits of uranium in the world, which is at risk for takeover by Russia. Coal use will challenge the continent’s timeline for meeting future climate targets. Alternative energy resources will not meet all the EU’s needs. Natural gas remains the most cost-effective short term transition option and is not likely to disappear in the near future.
Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe. Seventy percent of the country’s land is utilized for growing wheat, corn, barley, and sunflower seeds, with its largest agricultural exports shipped to Egypt and Turkey. The entire region east of the Dneiper River is used for farming. The river traverses central Ukraine, beginning north of Kyiv and running southeast then southwest toward the Black Sea port cities of Kherson and Odessa. Should Russia gain access to this land, grain export prices will rise, as they already have done, and Russia can threaten political extortion against Turkey and Egypt. More important, if the Russians take over Kyiv, they will almost certainly install a puppet government, as in Belarus, making incursions beyond Ukraine possible.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:25 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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Well, it might help because all our slimy politicians wouldn't be laundering and stealing our tax dollars there.
You have no proof of this, just spouting Russian propoganda.
Why on earth would American politicians launder money in Ukraine, which is close to enemy territory (Russia) and is itself (I mean Ukraine) filled with Russian, Chinese and Iranian spies and agents of influence.
People who launder money do it in countries with more stable banks but little oversight like the Seychelle Islands or the Bahamas, not a country like Ukraine that everyone is watching. Laundering you want to do far away and in the dark.
Stop falling for stupid Russian propoganda.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:27 pm to Tantal
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And just how much sovereign Ukrainian territory should they be suggesting that Ukraine give away?
All of it, if the alternative is us getting into war with Russia. You people are all being played.
You don’t know what Russia would do if they had all of Ukraine, just like you didn’t know Russia was going to start a war with Ukraine in the first place.
Stop wanting war.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:33 pm to riccoar
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It's also where illegal Bio Weapons Labs reside.
What makes these bio labs illegal? What law is being broken?
These are level three labs that existed there for 60 years in most cases (Soviet era) and Ukraine just kept using them.
By the way the same kinds of "illegal biolabs" are on the LSU and Tulane campuses.
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:35 pm to Earnest_P
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Stop wanting war.
Putin wanted the war. If a country attacks you, you have to fight back (or I guess you could just be a coward and turtle and cry).
You don't win a war by giving up.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:42 pm to Eurocat
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What makes these bio labs illegal? What law is being broken?
These people make stuff up as they go.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:47 pm to Eurocat
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Putin wanted the war.
Honest question - do you think Putin invades Ukraine if we/NATO had lived up to the 1990 promise to not move eastward?
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:50 pm to David_DJS
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Honest question - do you think Putin invades Ukraine if we/NATO had lived up to the 1990 promise to not move eastward?
Name the NATO country attacked/invaded by Russia.
You're asking the wrong question.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:08 pm to David_DJS
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Honest question - do you think Putin invades Ukraine if we/NATO had lived up to the 1990 promise to not move eastward?
There never was an agreement to stop NATO’s movement eastward. There were discussions about NATO not moving eastward into E Germany. The other Eastern Europeans were in the Warsaw Pact and no one dreamed that in less than a decade there would no longer be a Soviet Union and a Warsaw Pact.
ETA: but Russia did have a written agreement to protect Ukraine’s sovereignty but you Russian apologists ignore that; yet to keep spreading lies about the US.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 10/17/23 at 7:32 pm to SlimTigerSlap
The missiles hitting the Russian airfield were 25+ years old ATACMS that were nearing the end of their useful lives. It probably would have cost more to decommission them than to give them to Ukraine.
The cluster version was used to cause damage to as many aircraft as possible. Estimated to be 9 helicopters.
The cluster version was used to cause damage to as many aircraft as possible. Estimated to be 9 helicopters.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:38 pm to doubleb
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ETA: but Russia did have a written agreement to protect Ukraine’s sovereignty but you Russian apologists ignore that; yet to keep spreading lies about the US.
lol @ Russian apologists. Okay, Adam Schiff - but I asked a legit question.
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There never was an agreement to stop NATO’s movement eastward.
So you're suggesting that the reporting on James Baker giving iron clad guarantees that with a united Germany, NATO would not move one inch eastward is fake news?
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:49 pm to David_DJS
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lol @ Russian apologists. Okay, Adam Schiff - but I asked a legit question.
Your question was based on a false premise, it wasn’t legit.
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So you're suggesting that the reporting on James Baker giving iron clad guarantees that with a united Germany, NATO would not move one inch eastward is fake news?
There were no iron clad guarantees given by Baker stating that NATO would never accept new members ftom Eastern Europe. Besides Baker was negotiating the status of E Germany and these negotiations had nothing to do with the other nations of Eastern Europe who were all in the Warsaw Pact.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:56 pm to David_DJS
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lol @ Russian apologists. Okay, Adam Schiff - but I asked a legit question
It's all he has. He will continue this knowing full well you bent him over in the argument.
He is quite possibly the biggest Ukraine shill on the intraweb.
I would bet good money his grandmother is from there.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:07 pm to GhostOfFreedom
frick Ukraine
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