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re: Were we deceived about 9/11?
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Now let me clear, both claims are complete nonsense with no meaningful evidence that stands up to basic scrutiny to support either.
Hank? ….er….I mean Roger?
Are you still maintaining that it is absurd to suggest COVID-1984 may have originated in a lab?
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 10:50 pm
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:48 pm to TBoy
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Maybe we need a Whackos/Schizophrenics Board where y’all can have this conversation daily in a safe and supportive place.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:49 pm to SCLibertarian
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Tboy believes Iraq had WMD's and they hate us because of our freedom. Leftists have been fully co-opted by neocons.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:54 pm to AURaptor
quote:Multifaceted. They get to declare endless war on ME nations, Israel's enemies and they were able to easily pass laws (primarily the Patriot Act) that would help them spy on every citizen in what was then a still emerging internet and tech revolution.
So what great sea change occurred after 9-11 that required such death and destruction ?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 12:01 am to blueboy
9/11 is extremely close to me, as a FF on my first dept on the east end of Long Island when it happened. I volunteered to go into Manhattan that day at 18 years old and not knowing what the hell I could be getting into. No one knew whether the attack was over or not, but people needed help. As the weeks and months passed, I listened to last tones and attended funerals for my brothers. I got to the point I couldn't listen to them anymore and would turn my radio off. Hundreds of them. It was painful and depressing as a firefighter. Neighbors, friends of friends, even instructors in my academy had lost their lives.
I have a terrible time believing, or understanding people who believe, that it was an inside job. I fully recognize that my emotional connection could easily cloud my judgment about that.
I'm also an electrician, and worked regularly in Brooklyn and Queens. Do you know how much red tape there is to do ANY kind of work in NYC? Where you can park, when you can park there, which service elevators you can use, what times you're allowed to use them, how much noise you can make during certain times of the day, etc. Now how much time would it take to prep multi-story commercial buildings for pre-planned collapse in the middle of the most central hub of the world's economy? The sheer number of people it would take to be involved from the lowest permitting official or security guard on up would be astounding. There's no way it could have been pulled off without someone saying something. No typical Joey Bag O' Donuts was that good at keeping his mouth shut.
Beyond that, let it get just a little higher up. The municipal departments of NYC. There was a FDNY Battalion Chief that sent his own brother to his death. In the red-tape world of NYC, do you think anything would have been able to happen without SOMEONE finding out or saying something?
firsthand footage of brothers
Ten House. Captain Hatton and Rescue 1. The heartwrenching accounts of entire fire companies being killed. One of my academy instructors from Rescue 2 was supposed to be on duty that day. James Amato and George DiPasquale were two more firefighters killed that directly affected my life. I've carried these men in 9/11 memorials.
I was also good friends with a firefighter from engine 308, from south Queens, who had to retire from injuries after WTC 7 collapsed. He was off duty that day but responded to the recall. There was no warning for him. No sound of explosions causing the floors to collapse. He was part of the assignment fighting that fire and helping people in that vicinity. The building coming down and his subsequent lung injuries cost him the rest of his career.
So I tell anybody that says "9/11 was an inside job" to frick off as heartily as possible. I lived there, I worked there, I was there. As much as NYC is a liberal shite hole, there's no way in hell the people of NYC were in on that. Do you know how much work it would take to set charges in all those buildings? Do you know how many people it would take? How long it would take? There's no fricking way. There's no fricking way I'd send my own brother and his men to their deaths. There's no fricking way I'd take a little bit of money to look the other way for shady shite going on in downtown Manhattan and not tell people I knew to watch out. There's certainly no way they could pay off the tens of thousands of people to do the same and someone not come forward and tell LOTS of people.
If you want to downvote, go ahead, and you can go frick yourself, too.
I have a terrible time believing, or understanding people who believe, that it was an inside job. I fully recognize that my emotional connection could easily cloud my judgment about that.
I'm also an electrician, and worked regularly in Brooklyn and Queens. Do you know how much red tape there is to do ANY kind of work in NYC? Where you can park, when you can park there, which service elevators you can use, what times you're allowed to use them, how much noise you can make during certain times of the day, etc. Now how much time would it take to prep multi-story commercial buildings for pre-planned collapse in the middle of the most central hub of the world's economy? The sheer number of people it would take to be involved from the lowest permitting official or security guard on up would be astounding. There's no way it could have been pulled off without someone saying something. No typical Joey Bag O' Donuts was that good at keeping his mouth shut.
Beyond that, let it get just a little higher up. The municipal departments of NYC. There was a FDNY Battalion Chief that sent his own brother to his death. In the red-tape world of NYC, do you think anything would have been able to happen without SOMEONE finding out or saying something?
firsthand footage of brothers
Ten House. Captain Hatton and Rescue 1. The heartwrenching accounts of entire fire companies being killed. One of my academy instructors from Rescue 2 was supposed to be on duty that day. James Amato and George DiPasquale were two more firefighters killed that directly affected my life. I've carried these men in 9/11 memorials.
I was also good friends with a firefighter from engine 308, from south Queens, who had to retire from injuries after WTC 7 collapsed. He was off duty that day but responded to the recall. There was no warning for him. No sound of explosions causing the floors to collapse. He was part of the assignment fighting that fire and helping people in that vicinity. The building coming down and his subsequent lung injuries cost him the rest of his career.
So I tell anybody that says "9/11 was an inside job" to frick off as heartily as possible. I lived there, I worked there, I was there. As much as NYC is a liberal shite hole, there's no way in hell the people of NYC were in on that. Do you know how much work it would take to set charges in all those buildings? Do you know how many people it would take? How long it would take? There's no fricking way. There's no fricking way I'd send my own brother and his men to their deaths. There's no fricking way I'd take a little bit of money to look the other way for shady shite going on in downtown Manhattan and not tell people I knew to watch out. There's certainly no way they could pay off the tens of thousands of people to do the same and someone not come forward and tell LOTS of people.
If you want to downvote, go ahead, and you can go frick yourself, too.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 12:05 am
Posted on 6/21/21 at 5:50 am to TBoy
For some reason I view TBoy as a tall skinny wiry fast talking bipolar black man that wears a mask while alone in his car
Posted on 6/21/21 at 6:28 am to Little Trump
I have no problem believing the government would kill us citizens. My only issue is that 9/11 being a government undertaking would require A LOT of people remaining silent for the duration. So many moving parts to pull that off.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 7:13 am to LSUTigerFan247
As for the getting around the red tape for wiring the building--guess whose company was in charge of security for the buildings? Marvin BUSH, brother of Dubya, was head of Stratesec the security company for the WTC. (once named Secuacom). Also in charge of security for United Airlines and Dulles Airport. They were hired to do a multi-year security upgrade at the WTC after the first bombing. Access to the building for several years prior to 9/11 for work. Interesting right ?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 8:11 am to Little Trump
9/11 was done by the US and Israeli government, just like COVID was created by the US government, the Chinese government, and the pharma companies.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 8:30 am to stuckintexas
Almost every firefighter interviewed that day reported hearing multiple explosions before each building fell. And there was construction work going on inside the towers for months before that fatal day. The novel you typed, or copied, reeks of propaganda
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:29 am to TigerMan79
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by TigerMan79
Almost every firefighter interviewed that day reported hearing multiple explosions before each building fell. And there was construction work going on inside the towers for months before that fatal day. The novel you typed, or copied, reeks of propaganda
It was posted by a username “stuckintexas!”
Anyone with that username would have to be minimally QUESTIONABLE and maybe a northeast democrat? Might not be a person to trust at all as that long a post might very well had been copy/pasted and not written by him as he’d have us believe
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 10:30 am
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:42 am to Little Trump
Absolutely we were.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:08 am to Little Trump
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Were we deceived about 9/11?
Absolutely!
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:36 am to Bridget O
Back when the Media consulted Trump for his "Expert Opinion" regarding the collapsed towers.
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The interview - 15 years before he ran for President - appeared on rolling news coverage for WWOR/UPN 9, as he gave his expert opinion as a property developer.
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And he suggested that the towers were destroyed by "bombs that exploded almost simultaneously" when the planes collided with the towers.
He said: "It wasn’t architectural defect. The World Trade Center was always known as a very very strong building. Don't forget that took a big bomb in the basement [in a 1993 attack]"
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He continued: "When I first looked at it I couldn't believe it because there was a hole in the steel. Remember that the width of the windows in the World Trade Center, if you were ever up there, they were quite narrow, and in between was this heavy steel.
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"I said how could a plane - even a plane, even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might have been - how could it possibly go through that steel?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:48 am to stuckintexas
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I have a terrible time believing, or understanding people who believe, that it was an inside job.
Kite
Hit
Steel
Plane
Must
Watch the video!!!
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:51 am to Little Trump
I think it's plausible they knew something like it could happen and could be a great opportunity to grab power. I also think United 93 was probably shot down. Even when I was 14, that theory never sat well with me that that guy who took down the plane called his wife goodbye. Every time I got on board a plane for years after that I'd try to make a phone call to test it, and it never worked once.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 12:21 pm to OMLandshark
I still remain perplexed and skeptical of the phone calls from the planes, especially Solicitor General Ted Olson's claims that his wife phoned him multiple times. Article explaining why this is not likely true---
LINK
LINK
Posted on 6/21/21 at 4:14 pm to TigerMan79
I typed it, it's my own experience and the experiences of people I personally knew. You can have your reasons for believing it's an inside job. I have my reasons for believing it wasn't.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 4:22 pm to Little Trump
Trust it or don't, I don't give two shits. Born and raised in Louisiana, lived and worked in the northeast several times. I've been a member here since 2009 and signed up after just moving back to Texas for the 3rd time. Not a Democrat in the least. Again, my own words and experiences. You couldn't be further from the truth with your assumptions.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 4:42 pm to Little Trump
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Were we deceived about 9/11?
I am mixed about this...what I mean is that I think we got a good bit of the truth BUT there are WAY too many things that still don't add up. Why is this? What is being covered up? How did they know who the terrorists were so quickly? WTC #7? The Muslim zealot terrorists not behaving very much like Muslims leading up to the event? I haven't really dug deep into 9/11 but a lot of stuff just seems off and doesn't sit well with me.
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