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re: WH Opioid commission unveils drug supply limits to help stop epidemic
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:01 am to jlntiger
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:01 am to jlntiger
They just need to make it harder for doctors to prescribe and more difficult for pharmacist to fill. The kids I knew in High School that were on Opiods seemed to have an endless supply of them.
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:22 am to saints5021
The last thing a bunch of ignorant bureaucrats need to be doing is telling doctors how to do their jobs. Med school is like 10 and most bureaucrats only have a law school education
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:38 am to el Gaucho
I wish they cost 2 cents each and were avalable in gumball type dispensers.
Making them more illegal stops no one that wants them and simply drives up the price which makes a junkie need to steal more shite to afford them.
Prohibition has never worked since the dawn of mankind and will only lead to poor quality black market pills or more heroin use with a dramatic rise in violence as criminals race to stake out their "corner".
The simple fact is people who want to get high will find a way to do so, if the drug is cheap enough they will leave everyone alone, make it cost too much and they will rob and steal to feed their habit, did we not learn anything at all from the disaster of the 18th ammendment?
Making them more illegal stops no one that wants them and simply drives up the price which makes a junkie need to steal more shite to afford them.
Prohibition has never worked since the dawn of mankind and will only lead to poor quality black market pills or more heroin use with a dramatic rise in violence as criminals race to stake out their "corner".
The simple fact is people who want to get high will find a way to do so, if the drug is cheap enough they will leave everyone alone, make it cost too much and they will rob and steal to feed their habit, did we not learn anything at all from the disaster of the 18th ammendment?
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 8:39 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:07 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
IF someone has a painful, terminal disease, give them all the opioid paint killers they need - who cares, at that point, whether they become addicts.
Aspirin has worked for me, even on broken toes.
It seems like those who abuse them can get them, and those that legitimately need them have to struggle and fight to get them.
Aspirin has worked for me, even on broken toes.
It seems like those who abuse them can get them, and those that legitimately need them have to struggle and fight to get them.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:26 am to cave canem
Most people taking this medicine have legitimate medical needs for it.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:48 am to el Gaucho
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hell my cousins fibromyalgia is so bad that he starts developing flu like symptoms if he misses a day of his medicine for it
Sounds like withdrawal.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:51 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
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As for the guy whose dad has TN and said “trigeminal neuralgia can’t be treated.” Um, it can be treated and it is actually treated successfully in a large majority of patients who develop it. And that’s with non opioid medication alone...before you even get to surgical procedures that involve various means of decompression.
And if people would read. Those things have been tried. My dad takes multiple non opioid medications to try and mitigate it. Oxycarbamazapine(sp?), gabapentin, Amongst many others. And had brain surgery to remove the "massive", as his neurosurgeon described it, blood vessel that had been resting on the nerve for several years.
It is treatable-ish, but you can't "fix" it, and thats why it is nicknamed the Suicide Disease.
Once the nerve deteriorates, it's toast. My dad's was bad enough that none of the medications helped it, mainly because the blood vessel was touching the nerve 100% of the time, and when his blood pressure would go up the pain would increase by orders of magnitude. Opioids didn't actually touch the pain either, but they made him able to stand the pain enough to not want to shoot himself.
I used to think like many of y'all. Like most of the so called "Christian Right", I was heavily anti-drugs and fully supported the war on drugs. But 2 things happened: A) I started truly digging into the bible and started to learn true grace and compassion. B) I started dealing with physical addiction in my own life.
I think the biggest thing many of you don't realize is that while addiction is partially mental, it is ABSOLUTELY a physical process as well. I wouldn't wish the pain of withdrawals on my worst enemy. They are horrible to go through, and for people already dealing with pain, adding withdrawals on top of it is absolutely is so demoralizing they won't be looking for anything except their next dose. Rather than even fighting to stay off of them. Which is why we need to support people, have better alternatives available, or admit that some people actually need these things moving forward.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:56 am to moneyg
Actually pain, nausea, vomiting, cold sweats etc are some of the symptoms of fibromyalgia
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:05 am to toni_the_tigress
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Aspirin has worked for me, even on broken toes.
Australia did a study a few years ago that found Acetimenophen was actually slightly LESS effective than a placebo at treating pain.
Over the counter pain medicines do sometimes work, but for many, they don't.
We need to develop a safer version of Toradol. It works better on my severe pain than anything else I've ever taken. As I said earlier, I've been in such bad pain that I couldn't take a breath without wanting to scream, and toradol knocked it out.
Edit: Also, what ends up killing a lot of the people who take opioid pills. Is the acetimenophen mixed in with it. That shite destroys our bodies, and shouldn't be anywhere near opiates. It's simply a unneeded filler.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:20 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Great now I'll have to pay 10 bucks a pill for a norco 10
Posted on 9/28/17 at 1:25 pm to VaBamaMan
Your father's opioid addiction and his TN are unrelated. You are the one that tried to infer he needs his narcotics because of his TN in your first post, then backtracked and admitted the narcotic Rx started with back/knee pain. You absolutely can treat or "fix" a majority of TN cases. Your dad doesn't need narcotics because he has TN, he needs them because his body was already physically dependent on them.
The only people that "need" narcotics are some individuals with with malignancies and many terminal/end of life patients.
The only people that "need" narcotics are some individuals with with malignancies and many terminal/end of life patients.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 1:49 pm to GEAUXT
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Is there a reason your father hasn't actually been treated, and is instead just being fed pain pills
Because the procedure and regime to cure it often is dangerous and has a high rate of facial numbness, hearing loss, and muscle weakness. Not to mention stroke or death, so it is used on patients with untreatable pain levels. But usually nerve blockers and anti epilectics should be used.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:08 pm to blackrose890
That was supposed to post earlier. I think my post got stuck in a time warp.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:35 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
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Your father's opioid addiction and his TN are unrelated. You are the one that tried to infer he needs his narcotics because of his TN in your first post, then backtracked and admitted the narcotic Rx started with back/knee pain. You absolutely can treat or "fix" a majority of TN cases. Your dad doesn't need narcotics because he has TN, he needs them because his body was already physically dependent on them.
The only people that "need" narcotics are some individuals with with malignancies and many terminal/end of life patients.
and you're missing the point.
Go to page 2 and read my suggestions for how to deal with the opioid epidemic.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Prohibition ALWAYS works.
God what a fricking joke. How rich do Mexican mobsters need to get?
God what a fricking joke. How rich do Mexican mobsters need to get?
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