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re: WH pulling visas from Chinese grad students
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:09 pm to Muthsera
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:09 pm to Muthsera
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Some 360,000 Chinese nationals who attend U.S. schools annually generate economic activity of about $14 billion, largely from tuitions and other fees
I'm sure this is the part they will play up, how badly it will affect our economy if we kick them out.
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:13 pm to The Maj
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Why would you even consider giving hostile actors access to research in any manner?
Believe me, I have a lot of distrust for Chinese grad students. When I was in grad school, one of the Chinese grad students in my program got sent to federal prison or smuggling military grade sensors to China in Dell speakers. A Chinese postdoc got caught fabricating AIDS research and sent to prison as well. They are also culturally much more accepting of cheating.
I still get nervous about all-out bans. I have Chinese grad student friends. I know of multiple projects that will fail if the Chinese scientists are suddenly removed, which will go very bad for the American professors/project heads. There will inevitably be a bunch of legitimate scientists screwed over by a minority of bad actors if this isn't done very carefully.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:18 pm to Muthsera
Univ of Texas will collapse, they'll have to start admitting kids from Texas who aren't illegals.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:18 pm to Microtiger
For what it's worth, I fully support banning Chinese scientists with military ties from active research in the US.
I'm just trying to explain how this is a complicated matter.
I'd be much more in favor of strict rules moving forward than pulling visas from current grad students who only have a couple years left on their grants anyway.
I'm just trying to explain how this is a complicated matter.
I'd be much more in favor of strict rules moving forward than pulling visas from current grad students who only have a couple years left on their grants anyway.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:19 pm to OchoDedos
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Univ of Texas will collapse, they'll have to start admitting kids from Texas who aren't illegals.
To get this straight, you are suggesting that a large number of UT graduate students are not only foreign Nationals, but illegal aliens?
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:21 pm to PEPE
quote:Chinese students have one of the highest rates of staying (if allowed) post-graduation, way higher than students from a lot of European countries.
Letting those people infiltrate our universities and their research departments couldn't have been more stupid.
I mean maybe they’re all spies, OR maybe they would prefer to be here and enjoy our freedoms than be in China. I think the latter is most likely as people tend to enjoy freedom once they have it.
So IMO, it would harm the Chinese more to ensure that they have more brain drain by keeping their brightest here and showing them how much better it is here with our freedoms that they would lack in China.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:22 pm to Muthsera
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Some 360,000 Chinese nationals who attend U.S. schools annually generate economic activity of about $14 billion, largely from tuitions and other fees.
So we lose 14 billion in benes and save 600 billion in theft, sounds like a pretty sound investment to me.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:23 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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They're in our military, too.
Americans are stupid. Duh.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:27 pm to buckeye_vol
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Chinese students have one of the highest rates of staying (if allowed) post-graduation, way higher than students from a lot of European countries.
I mean maybe they’re all spies,
I did spend some time in the intelligence world (DIA) and that is exactly how Chinese intelligence works. They play the long game. They are not afraid to send someone over, not to be an asset themselves, but for their kids to be assets activated at a particular date in the future. They prefer to have assets in place for decades before making intel gathering contacts. It makes it very difficult to sniff out chinese intelligence assets.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:28 pm to Microtiger
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We don't have enough American grad students to fill all positions and the ones we do have are often outcompeted by foreigners. It's rare to have even half of the grad students in departments of some fields be Americans.
Its called supply and demand, if you cant fill the class you dont offer the subject.
When the masters program is entitled "Quant Physics as it relates to satellites as a military weapon"...and its filled with chinese students....Houston you might have a problem.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:28 pm to Muthsera
So between 1-2% (rounding up)? This shouldn’t even be a news story
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:29 pm to Microtiger
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It's rare to have even half of the grad students in departments of some fields be Americans.
Namely stem fields
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:31 pm to Muthsera
HE IS SUCH A RACIST !!
Rest assured that as soon as Trump is gone, this entire program of allowing Red China to subvert our university systems will continue in earnest until the ENTIRE system is an arm of the CCP.
Rest assured that as soon as Trump is gone, this entire program of allowing Red China to subvert our university systems will continue in earnest until the ENTIRE system is an arm of the CCP.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:31 pm to Muthsera
I love Trump, but I hope this doesn't affect my favorite Chinese buffet.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:34 pm to Microtiger
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Slots will not be cut - they make too much money for the professors and drive too much grant money. Grad students are the backbone of research. Medical research requires armies of them. The Chinese will just be replaced by Indian grad students or other Asian grad students. This is just a fact.
States fund on average about 53% of university budgets, when you combine with fed funding, grants, student loans, it is the lion's share. Tuition by chinese grad students is a drop in the budget.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:34 pm to Microtiger
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still get nervous about all-out bans
Good thing we are allowing 355,000-357,000 of the 360,000 students to stay then
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:35 pm to buckeye_vol
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Chinese students have one of the highest rates of staying (if allowed) post-graduation, way higher than students from a lot of European countries.
Yeah because they are spies
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:39 pm to trinidadtiger
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Its called supply and demand, if you cant fill the class you dont offer the subject.
Wait, do you think graduate students are about taking classes?
Hell no. It's about being a laboratory workhorse. THAT is where the demand is, not the classroom.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:40 pm to Microtiger
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We don't have enough American grad students to fill all positions and the ones we do have are often outcompeted by foreigners. It's rare to have even half of the grad students in departments of some fields be Americans.
We can get them from some pool other than "people associated with the CCP".
There's 1.5 billion Indians, too.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:41 pm to trinidadtiger
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States fund on average about 53% of university budgets, when you combine with fed funding, grants, student loans, it is the lion's share. Tuition by chinese grad students is a drop in the budget.
Tuition has nothing to do with it. This is research money, not teaching money.
Grad students make money by doing 60 hours of research per week while being paid for 20 hours + benefits. They are a great return on investment compared to senior scientists. They are a data factory that brings in more research grants based on their results. This is where the money is made, not tuition, lol.
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