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re: What Happened ?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:23 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:23 pm to LuckyTiger
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Democrats are just better at it.
I’d argue that it’s not being better at campaigning that gives D’s an edge in election media coverage.
It’s that their essential platform is centered on catering to low information social issues that are overrepresented in Internet media. While the rights major issues are not covered or even really discussed by the media. To the extent that it is, the “neutral” media shifts the Overton window to the left and carries the Dem’s water that way.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:36 pm to PeepNCroom
Conservatism has lost. It's been beaten down so badly that to be conservative is to be racist, white supremacist, homophobic and sexist. It's now all things ugly and vile in this country and we have the nation of China and the mainstream media to thank for it.
But this really isn't new. It's been ongoing in a concerted way for several decades now. Only over the last few years has the transformation in this country become more complete.
It's as though the enemies of Conservativism decided now is the time to pounce. The acuity in this attack began with the death of George Floyd. That's when the left's shock and awe campaign really began.
Consider this though. Conservatism has been dying a slow but continuous death since the election of Bill Clinton.
Had it not been for the electoral college, the last two Republican Presidents would've lost, just marinate in that for a moment. That's almost like winning a football game because of officiating. Cheap and telling victories that only superficially hide larger problems. Sometimes a win isn't a win. Sometimes how you win matters and Republican Presidents can no longer win "straight up", in the sense that only five times in American history has a president won without also winning the popular vote. Conservatives take victories now any way they can get them.
America is changing.
But this really isn't new. It's been ongoing in a concerted way for several decades now. Only over the last few years has the transformation in this country become more complete.
It's as though the enemies of Conservativism decided now is the time to pounce. The acuity in this attack began with the death of George Floyd. That's when the left's shock and awe campaign really began.
Consider this though. Conservatism has been dying a slow but continuous death since the election of Bill Clinton.
Had it not been for the electoral college, the last two Republican Presidents would've lost, just marinate in that for a moment. That's almost like winning a football game because of officiating. Cheap and telling victories that only superficially hide larger problems. Sometimes a win isn't a win. Sometimes how you win matters and Republican Presidents can no longer win "straight up", in the sense that only five times in American history has a president won without also winning the popular vote. Conservatives take victories now any way they can get them.
America is changing.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:39 pm to PeepNCroom
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It seemed we (republicans) had all the momentum
Yes
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now it feels like it’s squandered and democrats are ahead in most polls?
This didn't happen
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:41 pm to Pandy Fackler
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America is changing.
Bush cheated as well, right?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:41 pm to PeepNCroom
Jeez, this thread is such a microcosm of what this site has become.
OP asks a legitimate question about a less than rosy outlook for the right.
Precipitates a flood of insulting replies that either ignore the question, make a completely irrelevant or tangential point, or insist that it’s the fault of people who point it out.
From 2017 to 2021, I watched the left become a caricature of what the right always thought about them.
Now I am seeing an almost perfect mirror image of the same thing.
Democracy is getting more overrated every day.
OP asks a legitimate question about a less than rosy outlook for the right.
Precipitates a flood of insulting replies that either ignore the question, make a completely irrelevant or tangential point, or insist that it’s the fault of people who point it out.
From 2017 to 2021, I watched the left become a caricature of what the right always thought about them.
Now I am seeing an almost perfect mirror image of the same thing.
Democracy is getting more overrated every day.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:43 pm to PeepNCroom
1. You can't believe anything the MSM says. 2. It is August. 3. The coming economic crash is going to be the defining issue and the Brandon administration is going to get much of the blame. Look for the crash in about a month.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:44 pm to Pandy Fackler
its been a "slow" week. Not a lot of new outrage.
The MAL raid affidavit has been stalled for another week.
Durham is still silent.
The economy still slowing to a crawl.
Inflation is still nasty.
The Ukraine is still a quagmire.
Cheney was nuked from orbit, but we knew that would happen. The thrill is gone.
A potato has been removed from CNN. Knew that would happen.
Autumn is almost here. And the polls are sh*t. Nothing new under the sun. The Forth Turning keeps a chugging along.
The MAL raid affidavit has been stalled for another week.
Durham is still silent.
The economy still slowing to a crawl.
Inflation is still nasty.
The Ukraine is still a quagmire.
Cheney was nuked from orbit, but we knew that would happen. The thrill is gone.
A potato has been removed from CNN. Knew that would happen.
Autumn is almost here. And the polls are sh*t. Nothing new under the sun. The Forth Turning keeps a chugging along.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:44 pm to 91TIGER
quote:This exactly ^^^^^^
Dumbasses like yourself that fall for the media's manipulation and lies. Ask yourself, who wants more inflation, war, and chaos throughout the world ? Not the average American. Turn off the bullshite on TV, it's a cesspool of lies and filth.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:45 pm to Ag Zwin
quote:
Jeez, this thread is such a microcosm of what this site has become.
OP asks a legitimate question about a less than rosy outlook for the right.
Precipitates a flood of insulting replies that either ignore the question, make a completely irrelevant or tangential point, or insist that it’s the fault of people who point it out.
From 2017 to 2021, I watched the left become a caricature of what the right always thought about them.
Now I am seeing an almost perfect mirror image of the same thing.
Democracy is getting more overrated every day.
Kinda like Tam and TU?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:46 pm to Blitzed
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They are conditioning you to be ready to accept a fraudulent election round 2.
There's something oddly calming in knowing that conservatives like you have finally been broken and accepted their place in America's victim class.
To hear this board tell it. From now on, everytime a conservative loses an election, it's stolen from them.
Conservatives now sound like every victimized group in this country.
Congratulations. You now have a reason to stay home and not vote. All elections are now fraudulent.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:48 pm to Pandy Fackler
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There's something oddly calming in knowing that conservatives like you have finally been broken and accepted their place in America's victim class.
To hear this board tell it. From now on, everytime a conservative loses an election, it's stolen from them.
Conservatives now sound like every victimized group in this country.
Congratulations. You now have a reason to stay home and not vote. All elections are now fraudulent.
Are you truly happy with the direction of the country?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:50 pm to FATBOY TIGER
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Are you truly happy with the direction of the country?
No.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:53 pm to Indefatigable
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I’d argue that it’s not being better at campaigning that gives D’s an edge in election media coverage. It’s that their essential platform is centered on catering to low information social issues that are overrepresented in Internet media. While the rights major issues are not covered or even really discussed by the media. To the extent that it is, the “neutral” media shifts the Overton window to the left and carries the Dem’s water that way.
I definitely agree with that observation.
But I also agree that Democrats are usually better at campaigning and politicking, media strategy and manipulation (lying), etc.
If you happen to be in Georgia for a few days and watch a bunch of Warnock commercials (there’s a LOT because Democrats have a lot more $) you would come away thinking only that he’s a guy who wears nothing but khakis, strolls around hugging old white people, saves children from people with guns, and champions small business. In reality, he’s none of those things and about as far left as anyone on the spectrum. He’s radical left. And the media backs him and Republicans do a poor job of selling why he’s bad and they are better. Part of that is, as you say, media manipulation and low information electorate, but part of it is also poor campaigning and politicking by Republicans.
Take Abrams as another example. She’s runnning ads with lots of cops and sheriffs (mostly white) talking about how she has the backing of police and is the candidate of choice for law enforcement. Kemp has countered with ads saying he has more support from police than she does. So basically the debate has shifted from Democrats are soft on crime, anti law enforcement and Republicans are anti crime, pro law enforcement to both are anti crime and pro law enforcement with Republicans having a little more support from police. Part of this result is due to media dishonesty and a dumb electorate, part of it is due to smarter political strategy by the Democrats. An accomplice media propaganda and dumb, easily influenced voters undoubtedly help make it easier.
But Democrats are good at covering their weak points and attacking Republican weak points and selling themselves better than Republicans.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:54 pm to Blitzed
Yes. Elections already decided. RINOs going down hard, not taking House and losing seats in Senate.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:56 pm to PeepNCroom
Proverbs 6:16-19 NASB
16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
Seven that are an abomination [j]to Him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who declares lies,
And one who [k]spreads strife among brothers.
16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
Seven that are an abomination [j]to Him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who declares lies,
And one who [k]spreads strife among brothers.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:01 pm to Pandy Fackler
Conservatism has been redefined as being racist and all that because Trump gave them a reason. He didn't condone them when he had the chance. His ego is so large, that he wanted their support. The poster that said we are a mirror image of what the left used to be is 100% correct. Being a progressive used to be joked at. Progressives were laughed at and not taken seriously. Trump never was or has been a conservative, but we all get lumped into his BS now because he duped the republican party into electing him. Things will get flipped around in a decade or so, but until the memory of Trump is erased from the republican party, the Dems are gonna kick our asses as long as they can. In 10 years, most of the posters on this board will be talking about Trump like they talk about Bush. That they knew he always a fraud all along.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:15 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:
Conservatism has lost. It's been beaten down so badly that to be conservative is to be racist, white supremacist, homophobic and sexist. It's now all things ugly and vile in this country and we have the nation of China and the mainstream media to thank for it. But this really isn't new. It's been ongoing in a concerted way for several decades now. Only over the last few years has the transformation in this country become more complete. It's as though the enemies of Conservativism decided now is the time to pounce. The acuity in this attack began with the death of George Floyd. That's when the left's shock and awe campaign really began. Consider this though. Conservatism has been dying a slow but continuous death since the election of Bill Clinton. Had it not been for the electoral college, the last two Republican Presidents would've lost, just marinate in that for a moment. That's almost like winning a football game because of officiating. Cheap and telling victories that only superficially hide larger problems. Sometimes a win isn't a win. Sometimes how you win matters and Republican Presidents can no longer win "straight up", in the sense that only five times in American history has a president won without also winning the popular vote. Conservatives take victories now any way they can get them. America is changing.
I think all of that is a legitimate argument. It scares some and that’s why they react so vociferously to it because the notion that it may be reality is crushing to accept.
But the government has grown massively over the past 30 years, not only in terms of size but in terms of reach and influence and control into people’s daily lives. The reaction to 9/11 was a huge accelerant to this growth, the reaction to the Great Recession was another, and the reaction to COVID was yet another. These were watershed moments. And the growth has rocketed off the charts since Biden.
I don’t think anyone would argue that we have the same freedoms and liberties that we had in 2000. Clearly we are less free, more controlled, more surveilled, more governed as a populace.
There is scarcely a politician in the land actively campaigning to cut government. No major legitimate Republican is arguing for such that stands a chance of being elected. So the options are more massive, explosive growth of government or slower growth of government. There is no real discussion of debt and fiscal responsibility. No real discussion of reducing size of military, government, etc.
I have argued for a while on here that we are in the midst of a paradigm shift where the America we knew is gone forever. It’s over. The electorate, especially young (40 and under) look to government as a force of good to control people. They view America as racist, unjust, evil; something that needs to be broken down to its foundation, that foundation re-engineered, and rebuilt. This phenomenon among the young electorate has been achieved through a wide, concerted effort by media, education, academia, some entertainment, some political forces over the last 30+ years. It has produced a generational shift, one I don’t think changes for generations to come, if ever.
I say this as a realistic observer. I’ll still vote, I’ll still discuss and encourage others to do the same. But I’m just looking at what I see and hear around me in this country today. And I see and hear a lot, working for a large, powerful corporation and also having two close family members as teachers.
There has been a political shift.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:23 pm to AirbusDawg
quote:
Conservatism has been redefined as being racist and all that because Trump gave them a reason. He didn't condone them when he had the chance. His ego is so large, that he wanted their support. The poster that said we are a mirror image of what the left used to be is 100% correct. Being a progressive used to be joked at. Progressives were laughed at and not taken seriously. Trump never was or has been a conservative, but we all get lumped into his BS now because he duped the republican party into electing him. Things will get flipped around in a decade or so, but until the memory of Trump is erased from the republican party, the Dems are gonna kick our asses as long as they can. In 10 years, most of the posters on this board will be talking about Trump like they talk about Bush. That they knew he always a fraud all along.
It sounds like you still believe the media narrative on Charlottesville.
And Republicans have been called racist all my life. I remember when the media and others like Arsenio Hall (who was big at the time with his late night show) called GHWB a racist in the wake of the Rodney King riots. I remember the ad in 2000 attacking W about the black guy being dragged by chains from behind a truck in Texas.
Conservatives or Republicans are racist is nothing new and didn’t start with Trump. Your belief in your argument is grounded in your personal hatred of Trump, nothing else. Your emotions are so ruled by him that they cloud your judgment and basic understanding of everything political. For whatever reason, you hate him to the point that you have bent reality to conform to your hatred.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:29 pm to PeepNCroom
Republicans themselves bitching and moaning and complaining and in-fighting about each of their individual “principles” having to be satisfied - or else. If they don’t believe a particular candidate satisfies them with a happy ending on top, well by God they’ll be just fine with the Democrat winning.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:33 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:
There has been a political shift.
The conservativism we knew as kids or our parents knew is dead and buried. It's over and there's no reviving it.
Your entire post is correct. I now vote in the hope that I can at least keep my own community safe and somewhat prosperous.
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