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Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:06 pm to lz2112
Short answer, Privately owned companies controlled and regulated by the government.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:08 pm to lz2112
It's a variation of socialism which came to prominence in Italy. It's characterized by a very strong sense of nationalism and dictatorship. "Everything for the state, nothing outside the state". It is absolutely of the left. You cannot have dictatorship and a free market economy. They are mutually exclusive.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:12 pm to lz2112
Sorry you hate capitalism.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:17 pm to lz2112
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"a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy"
Fascism is far left. Far right is a lie made AFTER ww2.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:23 pm to lz2112
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Fascism can be applied to all ideologies, because it is not an ideology, it is a method to enforce ideology, and all ideologies are susceptible.
This is correct. The name comes from fasces and basically means unity.
There was originally a fascist left and a fascist right. Fascism came to be associated with the right because the Italian dictatorship used the name.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:24 pm to lz2112
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What is Fascism?
It is a form of left wing socialism.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:31 pm to lz2112
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The concept of fascism is dependent on the merger of corporations with the state. The power inherent in government is combined with corporate power, this brings the majority of power in a nation under a small group of individuals. This is known as an Oligarchy. It is this combination of government and corporations that truly defines the concept of fascism.
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Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:33 pm to lz2112
Fascism is a merging of corporations and government
i.e.., Facebook and Google and Twitter are govt arms, closely tied to the CIA
i.e.., Facebook and Google and Twitter are govt arms, closely tied to the CIA
Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:53 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
Some people talk as if Germany was fascist, which they weren't, they were national socialists. Italy was fascist and there are remarks about how soulless it was by the Germans. Fascism isn't terribly different than corporatism except that fascism has a dictator while corporatism has an oligarchy.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:58 pm to BadMrKnuckuls
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You cannot have dictatorship and a free market economy. They are mutually exclusive.
China has been able to remain a generational dictatorship by melding capitalism with communism. They've shown tightly controlled capitalism under an authoritarian hand can be successful. It completely sucks when it comes to civil liberties and freedom, but I doubt Beijing Biden cares about that, nor the sheeple who are herding along behind him.
I think we have to go through this phase of proto-fascism to get to the weird hybrid of conflicting ideologies and economic models China somehow is making the world think is feasible.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 5:25 pm to lz2112
That's not capitalism. You can't use "tight control" to describe capitalism. It inherently makes it government control, and not free market.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 6:58 pm to BadMrKnuckuls
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That's not capitalism. You can't use "tight control" to describe capitalism. It inherently makes it government control, and not free market.
It is a free market to the extent the government allows. The government may allow you to sell only chicken livers and Gator tails. Those products, but only those products, are sold on the free market, ie tightly controlled capitalism.
China does not have a thriving economy because they discovered Marxism's magic key. They've infused capitalism into a communism base structure because it was the only way to keep from imploding the way the USSR did.
People need to stop thinking of these things in terms of zero sum games. 50 shades of grey is not just a perversion, it is reality. Even diametrically opposed ideologies can co-exist, sometimes even in symbiotic relationships.
We live in a democratic republic with heavy socialist and fascist features. I think we are on the tipping point where our democratic republic is subsumed by an authoritarian state, using fascism, rather than communism, as the hammer to drive the sheeple in line.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 7:10 pm to BadMrKnuckuls
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That's not capitalism. You can't use "tight control" to describe capitalism. It inherently makes it government control, and not free market.
Lol.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 7:49 pm to lz2112
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What is Fascism?
Anything Antifa and the left want to claim it is as an excuse to act foolish.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:18 pm to lz2112
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It is a free market to the extent the government allows. The government may allow you to sell only chicken livers and Gator tails. Those products, but only those products, are sold on the free market, ie tightly controlled capitalism.
That's not a free market. In a free market, the market itself will dictate whether or not a product is worthy of being on the market via that products performance in the market, not the government.
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People need to stop thinking of these things in terms of zero sum games. 50 shades of grey is not just a perversion, it is reality. Even diametrically opposed ideologies can co-exist, sometimes even in symbiotic relationships.
We live in a democratic republic with heavy socialist and fascist features. I think we are on the tipping point where our democratic republic is subsumed by an authoritarian state, using fascism, rather than communism, as the hammer to drive the sheeple in lin
They can coexist for a time. But they are not symbiotic and are diametrically opposed. This is evidenced by the competition that we observe between the two. It has become quite obvious that as either ideology grows in a given environment, the other diminished. Your second paragraph in this quote illustrates it. How you can write that a paragraph and argue the opposite is appalling. It means you simply refuse to acknowledge truths.
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Lol.
Nice argument mo jeaux...
This post was edited on 1/30/21 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 1/30/21 at 11:50 pm to BadMrKnuckuls
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It is a free market to the extent the government allows. The government may allow you to sell only chicken livers and Gator tails. Those products, but only those products, are sold on the free market, ie tightly controlled capitalism.
That's not a free market. In a free market, the market itself will dictate whether or not a product is worthy of being on the market via that products performance in the market, not the government
You are viewing the free market from a free POV. If a government only allows sale and purchase of x,y,z; then x, y, z are the only products available. It's not a true free market from our POV, but from the POV of the folks who trade x, y, z, it is a free market, within their space.
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It has become quite obvious that as either ideology grows in a given environment, the other diminished
That is not obvious to me. People can have multiple ideologies co-exsting within themselves. As I mentioned, it is not a zero sum formula. The Reddit Revolt is an example of that. Opposing ideologies melding together, probably briefly, on the Venn diagram of history.
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How you can write that a paragraph and argue the opposite is appalling. It means you simply refuse to acknowledge truths.
Or I question accepted truths, or I have viewed the landscape from a different perspective than you have.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 5:53 am to lz2112
quote:Leftist social analysts who originated the "Fascism = Far right" narrative, badly needed something to balance perceived evils of far left socialist/communist policies. There were none. The closest thing to such an example would be decentralized and incapacitating anarchy in places like Somalia. But that wouldn't do. So Social revisionists twisted the linear political spectrum into a pretzel, and laughably assigned policies of the National SOCIALIST Party of Germany to the right.
"a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy"
Posted on 1/31/21 at 6:04 am to lz2112
quote:China is fascism personified.
China does not have a thriving economy because they discovered Marxism's magic key. They've infused capitalism into a communism base structure because it was the only way to keep from imploding the way the USSR did.
Chinese policy fits every letter of fascist definitions. It dots every "i" and crosses every "t".
So the question Fascism=FarRight Wikipediaites need to answer is "Is China now suddenly "Far Right" politically?"
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