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re: What is your take on atheism?
Posted on 6/25/25 at 1:54 pm to RoDee
Posted on 6/25/25 at 1:54 pm to RoDee
There's too much evidence of spiritualism to be an atheist.
We have documented evidence of:
Remote viewing / Astral projection
Reincarnation
Ghosts
Altered states of mind
Near death experiences
Even intuition - cases where family members "feel" that something has happened to a love one, people feeling something is off. This points to some connections humans have that science can't explain. Something beyond basic perception.
A lot can be explained as hoaxes or coincidences, but it only requires 1 true case to exist. Too many cases cannot be explained for there to not be something behind it.
We have documented evidence of:
Remote viewing / Astral projection
Reincarnation
Ghosts
Altered states of mind
Near death experiences
Even intuition - cases where family members "feel" that something has happened to a love one, people feeling something is off. This points to some connections humans have that science can't explain. Something beyond basic perception.
A lot can be explained as hoaxes or coincidences, but it only requires 1 true case to exist. Too many cases cannot be explained for there to not be something behind it.
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Posted on 6/25/25 at 2:08 pm to Broadside Bob
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Wouldn't a Muslim, Hinduist, or Buddhist say the same thing (or something very similar) about THEIR faith?
For the record I do not consider myself to be a Christian. Christianity is the religion of Paul, not Jesus. I am only saying that Jesus is the real thing, that the father is in him, that if you follow his example you will walk the correct path and you will follow the commandments.
It is the life of Jesus that will save you, not his death. The only thing saved by the death of truth is the lie, and the lie will continue until the truth returns. That is why he was murdered, and why a religion was created to turn him into an idol so that people would accept the idol instead of seeking and following the understanding and the path(those people are controllable by those in power because they can't be manipulated to work against others).
I am in no way recruiting for Christianity or any other religion. Things like what is called the holy spirit, the path and all that are real things and you don't need religion for them. Religion and such is how we are able to communicate the expressions to each other. Just how we need symbols like 1+1=2 to communicate the understanding of math.
Most religions are based on the same basic commandments and general ideas at their heart. As I said above, it's like math - the understanding behind it all is universal, the expression of it may change.
So, 1+1=2, 3+3=6 or 5+5=10 or some other weird symbol you want to use, it doesn't matter. Any true understanding is universal. Cultures will express things differently.
The bigger issue is the way these things are used to manipulate people who lack understanding. Then you can convince them of all sorts of crazy shite, and that happens regardless of religion and it happens without religion as well. Understand that religion is ultimately just whatever it is you believe.
Is that the religions fault? No. It's just the same type of propaganda and what not you see with anything else. Athiest communists killed millions.
Also, Muslims believe in Jesus and wait for his return just like Christians.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 6/25/25 at 2:19 pm to SEC. 593
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I'll reply to both here since you both basically had the same argument.
Expanding on your thought exercises, both of the assumptions are that there exists outside our universe another universe where "something" can be created out of nothing, and it is just in our universe where that is impossible.
Isn't this just the Speacial Pleading fallacy to the Kalam cosmological argument summed up?
Yes, there are in fact multiple levels of reality, and I am only pointing out the connection between them to give some basic understanding of the concept, that's true.
Ultimately however, it comes down to an understanding of consciousness, and that there is no such thing as a reality without something to experience it. As such, God/Consciousness is the alpha and omega.
It is that piece of god in you that gives you consciousness. Your soul. That is the father/son relationship. It's impossible for us to fully understand the way the father does, much like I said in the video game example - our limitations are a requirement for the experience. To see or understand god in fully will just destroy reality as we know it.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 6/25/25 at 2:27 pm to 3down10
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The path itself is a real thing, hinted slightly at by science with the multiverse type theory, but I doubt people are ready for that.
An existence beyond our understanding, even if proven does not lend any evidence or credibility to the existence of any human worshipped god. Even absolute evidence of design would not. It may prove that their is a superior intelligence of some kind that engineered our reality but it doesnt mean any of the world's religions have any insight into the nature of that entity.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 3:06 pm to Padme
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They don’t want to be held accountable for their sexual sins, therefore they go the whole denial track even though it’s the opposite of intellectual. Yet part of being in denial, they tell themselves and try to present themselves as intellectual
They need to all take some swimming lessons. Learn to be very good swimmers. Eternity in the lake of fire will be bad but drowning in it would be worse.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 3:56 pm to thermal9221
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Comprehension isn’t your strong suit.
I know. I know.
Damn if I could only comprehend stuff.
meanwhile .... if you dare return, perhaps we'll test your premise
Posted on 6/25/25 at 4:47 pm to SEC. 593
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Where did God come from?
He didn’t. He is.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 5:46 pm to ThuperThumpin
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An existence beyond our understanding, even if proven does not lend any evidence or credibility to the existence of any human worshipped god. Even absolute evidence of design would not. It may prove that their is a superior intelligence of some kind that engineered our reality but it doesnt mean any of the world's religions have any insight into the nature of that entity.
Knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:32 pm to Broadside Bob
Pascal’s wager doesn’t pick a religion. It’s whether you believe in a god or not. The da t that it’s creates a dichotomy ie two separate independant choices atheism or belief is relevant. The atheist doesn’t believe in a higher being ie God. So my take on atheism is that it’s safer to believe in a god than not to.
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