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re: What took more nads, first mariners to cross the oceans or the first manned moon landing
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:12 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:12 pm to ShortyRob
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Well. We had been riding boats on the ocean for A VERY long time Strapping your arse to a rocket was not exactly in the human daily experience
I don't think most people understand the uncertainty of the first manned moon missions, keep in mind that Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins had buried their friends Chaffe, White and Grissom due to a training accident/fire.....an oxygen rich environment is extremely dangerous.
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:34 pm to SOSFAN
Ocean voyage by far. At any minute they could have fallen off the edge of the world.
I'm sure that thought was in many of their minds. To them, it was the last frontier.
I'm sure that thought was in many of their minds. To them, it was the last frontier.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:51 pm to Bass Tiger
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I don't think most people understand the uncertainty of the first manned moon missions, keep in mind that Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins had buried their friends Chaffe, White and Grissom due to a training accident/fire.....an oxygen rich environment is extremely dangerous
Exactly
Sure. Sailing into the unknown was scary AF. But at least you know for certain that under normal circumstances, the boat would float and that you knew how to manage it. Even storms were not exactly new to you.
All the engineers in the world in the radio doesn't change that EVERYTHING being done in that moment has been done only a handful of times before and some of it was first time ever.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:04 pm to Eli Goldfinger
quote:What? I'm fairly certain the astronauts expected to return.
In both instances you had to assume there would be no return.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:29 pm to ShortyRob
On HBO's "From the Eart to the Moon" there was a lot of really cool insight into all of it. There was one point where one of the lead engineers was trying to explain how difficult a task they were attempting. He said something to the effect of: Imagine you going into your backyard with a basketball and me going into the front yard with a golf ball. Then we have to throw them up over the house and have them collide perfectly - on the first try.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:30 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Mariners and it’s not close. They went out with absolutely zero support. Once they crossed the horizon they were on their own and had no idea what they would find or encounter.
The astronauts had every PhD on the planet at their disposal the second things went wrong. They knew where they were going and what awaited them.
I would look these same arguments from the perspective of economic necessity. Going to sea paid a lot more than working some landowner's crops for a substinence share or toiling away from daylight to dark in some deathtrap of a factory. Plus fugitives of all sorts have always been drawn to the sea. Those astronauts with their PhDs could have had very safe and comfortable lives with the 2.5 kids and the white picket fence and standing tee times on Saturday. I think having those options makes the astronauts the ballsier group.
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 10:03 am
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:32 pm to Bass Tiger
Is this really a poli topic?
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:38 pm to Bass Tiger
tough one.
Mariners didn’t even know what they were getting into. Had no clue how long the voyage was, what was on the other side, etc. They could only guess at what the risks would be.
Astronauts on the other hand, knew exactly what they were getting themselves into. Knew where they were going, roughly how long i would take, etc. They knew pretty much exactly what the risks were.
So what’s ballsier?
Doing something with next to know knowledge of what’s in front of you?
Or doing something where you know everything (including the huge risks and dangers)?
Mariners didn’t even know what they were getting into. Had no clue how long the voyage was, what was on the other side, etc. They could only guess at what the risks would be.
Astronauts on the other hand, knew exactly what they were getting themselves into. Knew where they were going, roughly how long i would take, etc. They knew pretty much exactly what the risks were.
So what’s ballsier?
Doing something with next to know knowledge of what’s in front of you?
Or doing something where you know everything (including the huge risks and dangers)?
Posted on 7/20/19 at 4:40 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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n both instances you had to assume there would be no return.
The spirit of adventure runs strong in both. Test pilots, Submarine service in WW II, Tank servicemen in WW II, and Fighter Pilots have a lot of Nads.
The life span in 1400 was pretty shorter as opposed to the Moon landing so the Lunars had more to lose IMO.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 4:55 pm to Wtxtiger
quote:I'll disagree. The Apollo missions has the world's best scientists and engineers working decades to do this with the knowledge of what it would entail. The first mariners has no clue where they were going and how long it would take to get there.
Moon
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 4:55 pm to germandawg
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The death rate of transatlantic sailing TODAY is nearly 1.5%
Even if you're talking only about solo transatlantic crossings, that sounds awfully high.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 4:59 pm to Mayor
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Is this really a poli topic?
Not for you, take a break, I’ll return to my regularly scheduled PT trolling this evening. Lol!
Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:04 pm to Bass Tiger
Those guys who tried flying the Atlantic in the late teens/early twenties did not lack in testicular fortitude.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:05 pm to SOSFAN
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Ocean voyage by far. At any minute they could have fallen off the edge of the world.
People as far back as the ancient Greeks knew the world was round
Posted on 7/21/19 at 10:03 am to just1dawg
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quote:The death rate of transatlantic sailing TODAY is nearly 1.5% Even if you're talking only about solo transatlantic crossings, that sounds awfully high.
It does seem VERY high....especially transatlantic crossings given the atlantic is a mill pond compared to the pacific...but that was the stat I read when I was googling that information...still, very few crossings of the atlantic take place where the boat isn't in peril to some extent at some point....the ocean is a very inhospitable environment and sailing is, even with technology, seriously dangerous
Posted on 7/21/19 at 10:08 am to germandawg
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It does seem VERY high....especially transatlantic crossings given the atlantic is a mill pond compared to the pacific...but that was the stat I read when I was googling
sailing is probably the key word.
if i had to guess, there isn’t a huge number of people sailing across the atlantic. so it only takes a handful of deadly incidents to raise the percentages.
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