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re: When was the last time a libertarian got anything accomplished?
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:53 am to kingbob
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:53 am to kingbob
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Loyalty is stupid. You side with a politician when they are pushing for policies you agree with, then you oppose them when they are not. Just because you voted for a politician doesn’t mean you agree with them 100% of the time. This board has no tolerance for nuance, integrity, or intellectual honesty. It always devolves into tribalism.
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Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:54 am to stuntman
It’s more that people realize that international free markets don’t exist, that anarcho-capitalism is just statism with extra steps, and that certain functions absolutely require a government to perform effectively in order for any society to function.
With that said, the amount of government we need is a pebble with relation to the mountains of bureaucracy slowly crushing us.
With that said, the amount of government we need is a pebble with relation to the mountains of bureaucracy slowly crushing us.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:54 am to AlterEd
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Libertarianism is one of those things most conservatives grow out of by the time they're 30 years old.
"Conservatives" seem to be growing out of conservatism now instead. Balanced budget, small government, states rights...all so yesterday.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:54 am to stuntman
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How does one age, gain life experience, then have MORE confidence in government? Honestly asking.
It's more about coming to the realization that nothing gets accomplished under that paradigm and is sorta what this entire thread is about.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:56 am to sgallo3
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Imagine seeing it as a bad thing that people vote for their convictions rather than blind loyalty.
This board is becoming just as unhinged as Democrat Underground.
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 10:56 am
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:56 am to kingbob
Ok, I'm an ancap, so tell me how moving towards more liberty is actually a move towards more control by government.
Agreed.
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With that said, the amount of government we need is a pebble with relation to the mountains of bureaucracy slowly crushing us.
Agreed.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:57 am to AlterEd
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The next time will be the first time. Libertarianism is one of those things most conservatives grow out of by the time they're 30 years old.
Political labels are almost irrelevant. Sometime you, we, me agree on policy that fits the Wikipedia definition of Libertarianism and sometimes we don't.
Right now Joe Biden budgets are being sold as quintessential conservatism. So there's that.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:57 am to MSMHater
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Conservatives" seem to be growing out of conservatism now instead. Balanced budget, small government, states rights...all so yesterday.
Don’t forget that today’s ‘Conservatives’ blindly trust law enforcement.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:59 am to AlterEd
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It's more about coming to the realization that nothing gets accomplished under that paradigm and is sorta what this entire thread is about.
Well, not w/ that attitude, mister.
Seriously though, when are "conservatives" ever going to slash government spending, for instance?
Let me ask it this way; Do you think we'd have a better federal government if it was filled w/ Rand Pauls or w/ Lindsay Grahams?
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:59 am to AlterEd
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It's more about coming to the realization that nothing gets accomplished under that paradigm and is sorta what this entire thread is about
In terms of governance, is nothing getting done really a bad thing all the time?
I mean it has really done a bangup job so far amiright
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:00 am to weagle1999
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Don’t forget that today’s ‘Conservatives’ blindly trust law enforcement.
You should see the "conservative" policies this current House, Senate and President are funding. It would make 1998 Hillary Clinton blush.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:01 am to stuntman
The free market absent the rule of law is organized crime. You can argue that organized crime was better for some places than democrats, but any ideology taken to its logical extremes results in a dysfunctional mess. An-capitalism would simply quickly devolve into war lords because a tort system alone cannot maintain order or protect private property against organized thuggery. In the end, an-capitalism would result in a society more resembling Russia in the 90’s than early 18th century America.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:02 am to burger bearcat
Milei is wrecking shop in Argentina.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:03 am to burger bearcat
Milei has done wonders in Argentina. I suppose we will also have to fall that far before the Libertarian message finally resonates enough to win.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:03 am to AllbyMyRelf
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Milei is wrecking shop in Argentina.
And it is the one example we have to go by. What he has done in Argentina hasn't been tried anywhere else that I can recall.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:05 am to burger bearcat
When was the last time a libertarian and his party were in power?
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:06 am to kingbob
The mistake is in believing there will be no law w/o government controlling things.
Somalia IMPROVED after it was stateless. Still a total shithole, but it actually improved. Then they went back to having a government and of course, it got worse again.
Costs would disincentivize all kinds of bad behavior in Ancapistan. If you ever get time, check out David Freidman's work on this stuff. Also, check out the Brehon Law in ancient Ireland and the private law society in old Iceland.
All that said, there is no way I expect America, Argentina, or any other country to become anarcho-capitalist, but like I've mentioned in previous posts, using it as the North Star and taking steps towards it is a step in the right direction. So, I've got no huge issues w/ minarchists, conservatives, or any form of individualist. They are all supporting, at least in part, the principles of the Natural Law.
Somalia IMPROVED after it was stateless. Still a total shithole, but it actually improved. Then they went back to having a government and of course, it got worse again.
Costs would disincentivize all kinds of bad behavior in Ancapistan. If you ever get time, check out David Freidman's work on this stuff. Also, check out the Brehon Law in ancient Ireland and the private law society in old Iceland.
All that said, there is no way I expect America, Argentina, or any other country to become anarcho-capitalist, but like I've mentioned in previous posts, using it as the North Star and taking steps towards it is a step in the right direction. So, I've got no huge issues w/ minarchists, conservatives, or any form of individualist. They are all supporting, at least in part, the principles of the Natural Law.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:06 am to frogtown
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And it is the one example we have to go by. What he has done in Argentina hasn't been tried anywhere else that I can recall.
Correct. Every “economist” predicted it would fail, and whodathunkit? The Austrians were right all along!
I wish our modern GOP was more Millei and less government from the town in “Footloose”.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:07 am to stuntman
Most libertarians tend to be very academically minded and like systems. Systems need to be consistent. If you hold freedom in x sphere, you should hold it in y sphere.
This drive for philosophical consistency creates issues like the Libertarian Party’s endless ideological purity tests in their debates.
For libertarians that stop being libertarians, the change is sometimes just recognizing that the rigid purity causes nothing to be done.
But other times it’s just a shift in priorities. Instead of freedom becoming the end-all, oftentimes it becomes something like moral order or structure. Which is why people become more conservative as they get older. They’re also willing to sacrifice some freedom to get that order and stability.
This drive for philosophical consistency creates issues like the Libertarian Party’s endless ideological purity tests in their debates.
For libertarians that stop being libertarians, the change is sometimes just recognizing that the rigid purity causes nothing to be done.
But other times it’s just a shift in priorities. Instead of freedom becoming the end-all, oftentimes it becomes something like moral order or structure. Which is why people become more conservative as they get older. They’re also willing to sacrifice some freedom to get that order and stability.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:08 am to stuntman
In my opinion, the ideal level of government authority is laid out in a strict constitution interpretation of Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution. If it ain’t mentioned there, the federal government shouldn’t be doing it.
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