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re: Which State Secedes First?
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:11 am to Jake88
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:11 am to Jake88
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Ok. Laws needed to replace the US federal laws? At least many of them. Legal precedents? Those holdings by the USSC would hold weight any longer, would they? Would all of that have to be rehashed in the new country?
When you have a conglomeration of states holding certain values and ideals, this is a relatively easy process. The USSC rulings would be null and void. The rulings themselves would be subject to review on a case by case basis, and the new system would either adopt the old or welcome something new.
This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
Example:
There’s no reason the 9th District Court should be able to tell Nebraska that we can’t spray Dicamba on soybeans but allow it for use in your personal lawn applications. And that’s exactly what they did last year. Nebraska isn’t even in that district, yet it somehow affected us. That’s overreach at its finest.
New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and D.C. should not be allowed to govern what they don’t understand.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 11:12 am
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:17 am to Abraham H Parnassis
If it happens, I think it would be because of a local conflict.
Imagine a Ruby Ridge scenario, where the FBI deployed to a small town in Idaho or Montana to arrest a mayor, or otherwise enforce some new Federal mandate. And where the town banded together, peacefully, to stop them
That’s the kind of confrontation that could explode, and you could see communities choosing sides, and choosing to protect their neighbors.
Imagine a Ruby Ridge scenario, where the FBI deployed to a small town in Idaho or Montana to arrest a mayor, or otherwise enforce some new Federal mandate. And where the town banded together, peacefully, to stop them
That’s the kind of confrontation that could explode, and you could see communities choosing sides, and choosing to protect their neighbors.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:18 am to Plx1776
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No state will successfully secede.
Military is currently patrolling our nation's capital. Our permanent government actively goes after people who are anti-establishment. Our military industrial complex has been purging wrongthinking soldiers for a few months now.
Any state that legit secedes...will be met with our extremely corrupt establishment. Wouldn't surprise me if bitch Biden has the military fire a few missiles at the seceding state's capital.
With the backing of foreign allies, investors, etc. it’s extreme possible and feasible, given the current state of the union and the weakness it displays.
Remember Iran in the 1950’s? All because BP wanted to keep its stranglehold on Iranian oil. Money talks, and it’s much more powerful than an illegitimate and weak administration.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:19 am to Champagne
Evolution/Revolution never takes that long. No way America makes it another 80 years.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:20 am to Lima Whiskey
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If it happens, I think it would be because of a local conflict.
Imagine a Ruby Ridge scenario, where the FBI deployed to a small town in Idaho or Montana to arrest a mayor, or otherwise enforce some new Federal mandate. And where the town banded together, peacefully, to stop them
That’s the kind of confrontation that could explode, and you could see communities choosing sides, and choosing to protect their neighbors.
Just wait until their venture in KS & NE takes shape. It’s not going to be pretty.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:24 am to CU_Tigers4life
I said this a couple of times before, the ProRegressives on the west and NE coasts have already seceded because they have ignored their Oath of Office. They believe that the Constitution is just an outdated document. We are the United States of America and they are NOT. Some of yall are worried about revenue, well we can just stop paying our federal taxes, states can pass laws to stop federal tax remuneration. And if Buyden shoots first he will regret that action. This will get worse because of their Green New Deal. If we don't adhere to this new law we can lose our properties and businesses and that is their Goal. They want to crush all middle class wealth. The longer this goes on the worse it will get.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:30 am to brad8504
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Just wait until their venture in KS & NE takes shape. It’s not going to be pretty.
What’s happening in Kansas and Nebraska?
One thing I noticed living in Montana, was how far away Washington felt. It was like living on Pluto, in a good way.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:31 am to lsufball19
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So if we use history as a guide,
I disagree with your premise that the American Revolution and the American Civil War are going to be good guides to what will happen here for the next 80 to 150 years. IMHO, it's helpful to review that history, but, IMHO, those events are so far in the past that they can't be reliable guides for what the future holds.
Those events are from a completely different time when everything about how we live, work, communicate, provide for ourselves, how we think, how we are educated, our culture, how we worship - all of these things are so very completely different now than they were in 1775 and 1860 - IMHO these past events are not reliable guides to what the future holds.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:36 am to brad8504
quote:No, it's not, but it is difficult to implement.
This is not a difficult concept to grasp
quote:No it isn't. Even states identically similar on social issues will have notably different interests on real issues.
When you have a conglomeration of states holding certain values and ideals, this is a relatively easy process
quote:Who is stopping you? Is there a law in NE? The 9th does not provide settled law for you. Many circuits have opposing rulings.
There’s no reason the 9th District Court should be able to tell Nebraska that we can’t spray Dicamba on soybeans but allow it for use in your personal lawn applications. And that’s exactly what they did last year
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 11:38 am
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:39 am to CU_Tigers4life
It would be pretty funny if it was some landlocked state not bordering Canada or Mexico.
Doh!
Doh!
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:40 am to Champagne
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I disagree with your premise that the American Revolution and the American Civil War are going to be good guides to what will happen here for the next 80 to 150 years. IMHO, it's helpful to review that history, but, IMHO, those events are so far in the past that they can't be reliable guides for what the future holds.
Those events are from a completely different time when everything about how we live, work, communicate, provide for ourselves, how we think, how we are educated, our culture, how we worship - all of these things are so very completely different now than they were in 1775 and 1860 - IMHO these past events are not reliable guides to what the future holds.
Ok, then do you want to use the collapse of the USSR as a guide? There are examples of civil war and/or revoluition all over the globe in modern history. I just provided the framework where it's happened in this country. I'm not quite sure from where you pulled the 80-150 year figure because it's never taken that long anywhere
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 11:42 am
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:41 am to TriadTigers
quote:They are claiming right of first refusal.
Come on South Carolina, you're up.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:44 am to Lima Whiskey
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What’s happening in Kansas and Nebraska?
Land Grab
Basically, they’d be using eminent domain and forcing private landowners to play by the rules of the Department of the Interior, Forest Service, or the National Parks Service.
My father-in-law went to a meeting and the way the whistle-blower group described it was that if the Parks Service creates a scenic byway, anything in the line of sight is subject to regulation. 22 million acres at stake here. AirBnB’s aren’t the lifeblood of local economies out here. We don’t cater to city dwellers. But that’s what they want. It’s all a part of this Green New Deal bullshite.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:45 am to lsufball19
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Ok, then do you want to use the collapse of the USSR as a guide? There are examples of civil war and/or revoluition all over the globe in modern history. I just provided the framework where it's happened in this country
Discussing and analyzing all of the historical events that you mention will always be helpful and provide insight, but, I don't think that they can serve as reliable guides WRT what the future holds for us, as citizens of the USA.
The future of the USA probably will not be similar to what happened to the American Colonies, the Confederate States of America and the Soviet Union.
The de-construction of the Soviet Union is probably the best historical event to examine because it was the most recent.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:46 am to Champagne
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Discussing and analyzing all of the historical events that you mention will always be helpful and provide insight, but, I don't think that they can serve as reliable guides WRT what the future holds for us, as citizens of the USA.
The future of the USA probably will not be similar to what happened to the American Colonies, the Confederate States of America and the Soviet Union.
The de-construction of the Soviet Union is probably the best historical event to examine because it was the most recent.
fair enough, then how did you come up with the number of 80-150 years and why?
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:52 am to Jake88
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No, it's not, but it is difficult to implement.
So do we sit idle because the difficulty setting isn’t novice?
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No it isn't. Even states identically similar on social issues will have notably different interests on real issues.
Define real issues. I just named two major issues: food and energy. Those two alone have a profound affect on a number of things, but energy is by far the greatest issue. No one is saying the whole “new republic” has to look the same from corner to corner, but core principles should be acknowledged and preserved, and individual states should be free to operate autonomously on a wide range of issues (e.g. legalization of marijuana).
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Who is stopping you? Is there a law in NE? The 9th does not provide settled law for you. Many circuits have opposing rulings.
Dicamba
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 11:56 am
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:52 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
arizona if we cant keep the lizards from slow walking and blocking the audit 
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:00 pm to brad8504
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They try assuring us that they’re not coming for our barbed wire or row crops, but it’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing
preach.
explain 30 x 30 and how row crops end thereby.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:08 pm to CelticDog
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preach.
explain 30 x 30 and how row crops end thereby.
Ask Biden what 30 x 30 means. He won’t give us a detailed plan, but it “could be out sometime next week.”
If they create a scenic byway, they control everything within the line of sight. So instead of those “harmful” GMO fields of corn and soybeans, we may see more CRP type land parcels or whatever they deem to be suitable in reducing the carbon footprint (I.e., trees, shrubs, native grasses, etc.)
They strip away barbed wire and remove cattle and other livestock, effectively crippling local and state economies, wrecking small family farms and rendering private property worth millions of dollars into nothing more than vacant land that’s appealing to suburban yuppies passing through.
It’s yet another means of strangling the middle class and devaluing the American farmer.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:11 pm to brad8504
Sweet Jesus.
There is a war on the lower class and the middle class on this country.
If you’re not part of the technology elite, if you don’t work for Google, you’re not a lawyer or a doctor, if you’re not a banker or a consultant, you are the target.
They will break you, and they will impoverish you. They will prevent you from making a living.
There is a war on the lower class and the middle class on this country.
If you’re not part of the technology elite, if you don’t work for Google, you’re not a lawyer or a doctor, if you’re not a banker or a consultant, you are the target.
They will break you, and they will impoverish you. They will prevent you from making a living.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 12:14 pm
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