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re: Who do you think has a better shot at winning? Trump of Desantis?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:26 am to mouton
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:26 am to mouton
People are nuts if they think DeSantis would turn out the crowds and enthusiasm as GEOTUS has and continues to do.
Don't get me wrong, I like DeSantis but he just doesn't have the fire of Trump.
Don't get me wrong, I like DeSantis but he just doesn't have the fire of Trump.
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:26 am to goldennugget
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Rich Baris has said repeatedly that as of right now, the professional class is gone. These are the upper middle class/upper class suburbanites who voted for John McCain or Mitt Romney but then voted Hillary and Biden. They are now dyed in the wool democrats. So any attempt to win them back is futile. There is no guarantee DeSantis would win back any of them, especially if the media paints DeSantis as Trump 2.0. Many are operating on the assumption that this group is Republican but just hated Trump that much and will go back to voting Republican - wrong.
What I don't see data for is the white working class block swinging back to a party that is now dominated by professionals and catering Liz Warren elites.
For the same reason we have doubt that Desantis can recapture those folks, I have doubts that Biden/Harris will be able to bring the coalition you're referencing (which is shrinking) back into the fold. Trump's efforts toward black voters were useless. The white working class is shrinking and as referenced, I don't think they're particularly likely to rejoin the Democrats post-Trump. I don't think we have any sort of useful metrics to predict what will happen to the Hispanic bloc in a Desantis-Biden election.
All that said, I do think you're raising wise considerations about the Trump/Desantis electability argument.
My preference for Desantis is on expected governance more so than viability (although I think he's more viable than Trump).
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:26 am to mouton
Neither.
Rigged elections have consequences...
more rigged elections.
Rigged elections have consequences...
more rigged elections.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:27 am to Bunk Moreland
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You and SDV are consistent on this. I understand your position, especially if the election was rigged and Trump did indeed win in a landslide. But, I will say, the irrational suburban woman TDS is a real thing. I think Ron Ron has a better chance to win that group.
I dont want Drumpf to run again. I just lol at all the reasons posters like Landcuck use to sat Drumpf wont win.
But Desantis ain't winning the Hispanic vote and that's much more important than the white butthurt suburbanite
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:28 am to BugAC
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2) Given the above if DeSantis has the full support, he will gain a large portion of that 35 million someone talked about earlier. Not all will come over, but a large portion.
What evidence do you have to back this up?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:29 am to mouton
It's Trump's decision. Either he run's with Desantis as VP or he backs Desantis.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:31 am to mouton
Who cares. Worry about 2020 first. If September hits and we don’t have results it won’t matter who you vote for.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:31 am to goldennugget
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What evidence do you have to back this up?
What evidence do i have that a big Trump push would also garner Desantis many of the same votes?
Common sense?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:32 am to goldennugget
Lots of cuckolds in this thread swallowing fake media narratives
Bingo
It's still Trump's to lose
Bingo
It's still Trump's to lose
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:33 am to mouton
Probably depends on how the country is doing. If the economy is in shambles, the government is printing money, he MSM media and social media are still suppressing the truth, etc, then the people may long for the days of a smoking economy and mean Tweets.
Honestly, I can think of nothing I would rather see in 2024 than for Trump to get elected again. To see the look on the MSM pundits and establishment politicians to think that they took control of the government again and that they fricked it up so bad that the people decided to bring him back. And yes, they are fricking it up...
If the economy is doing okay, and the main issues are the border and preventing the Democrats from spending us into oblivion with a ton of new entitlement programs, reparations, etc, then Desantis should be the guy.
Honestly, I can think of nothing I would rather see in 2024 than for Trump to get elected again. To see the look on the MSM pundits and establishment politicians to think that they took control of the government again and that they fricked it up so bad that the people decided to bring him back. And yes, they are fricking it up...
If the economy is doing okay, and the main issues are the border and preventing the Democrats from spending us into oblivion with a ton of new entitlement programs, reparations, etc, then Desantis should be the guy.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:34 am to SDVTiger
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But Desantis ain't winning the Hispanic vote and that's much more important than the white butthurt suburbanite
Why not?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:35 am to riccoar
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Either he run's with Desantis as VP or he backs Desantis.
DESANTIS WILL NOT BE THE VP, if Trump wins. Why do you people keep saying this?
1) DeSantis is more impactful as Governor of Florida than VP.
2) DeSantis doesn't gain Trump anything than what he already has. They are virtually the same person, except DeSantis brings conservative bona fides to the game.
3) Trump would be better served with someone that will steal more votes away from the left, or a rising Senator/Congressman that can be controlled. Maybe a popular state governor or politician in a mostly blue state. The VP position is only useful in garnering votes.
Scalise wouldn't be a bad pick. Or, rather than a politician, pick another private businessman without baggage. That will really mess with the left's brain.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 10:38 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:37 am to Pettifogger
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What I don't see data for is the white working class block swinging back to a party that is now dominated by professionals and catering Liz Warren elites.
It's because these people are democrats by default, especially in midwestern states. "My daddy was a democrat, and his daddy was a democrat, and his daddy was a democrat..." is the mantra here. These people might not vote for elite Liz Warren democrats, but they will stay home before voting for a Republican they don't connect with. These are the exact types of people in Georgia who voted Trump but had no interest in the runoffs.
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I have doubts that Biden/Harris will be able to bring the coalition you're referencing (which is shrinking) back into the fold.
They can't. They will just stay home. Which turns the election into a base election, which Republicans can not win on a national level in today's climate.
Trump won Ohio by 10 points not because he turned out the base, but he turned out disenfranchised and low propensity voters, and got a ton of crossover support.
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Trump's efforts toward black voters were useless.
Both right and wrong. He increased his black male percentage by 50%, but that's not much considering it went from 8% to 12%, which probably doesn't justify the investment. However I don't think he wins North Carolina without the black vote putting him over.
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The white working class is shrinking and as referenced, I don't think they're particularly likely to rejoin the Democrats post-Trump
It's shrinking and they will just stay home if they don't get a candidate they like. They won't vote democrat but they won't vote for traditional Republicans either. They will vote for someone they feel like they can relate to, or they won't vote at all.
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I don't think we have any sort of useful metrics to predict what will happen to the Hispanic bloc in a Desantis-Biden election.
Conservative populist messages resonate well with working class hispanics(outside of California). These are the people who were hit hard in 2008 in the housing crisis and had been trending Republican up until then. The housing crisis put them all into the democrat camp when Obama came along. Trump's message begun to bring them back into the fold. You do not win this group over by pandering like how GOP establishment figures want to do (i.e. amnesty). An America-First, pro-Main Street message is what wins this group over.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:37 am to Jorts R Us
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Why not?
Not enough machismo
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:39 am to goldennugget
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You do not win this group over by pandering like how GOP establishment figures want to do (i.e. amnesty).
What does this have to do with DeSantis?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:39 am to Pettifogger
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What I don't see data for is the white working class block swinging back to a party that is now dominated by professionals and catering Liz Warren elites.
Having those people sit home is what you need to fear.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:40 am to mouton
Trump is old as frick now and his performance in the debates was way worse in 2020 than 2016. None of this matters if they pull the mail in ballot bullshite in 2024. They will both be cheated.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:40 am to SDVTiger
YT link of a Desantis ad that ran in Florida
I mean, it's an imitation of the original but it ain't half bad. That said, I'd take Ron as governor for another 4. With his opposition, it'll be a slam dunk.
I mean, it's an imitation of the original but it ain't half bad. That said, I'd take Ron as governor for another 4. With his opposition, it'll be a slam dunk.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 10:42 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:42 am to BugAC
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What does this have to do with DeSantis?
Nothing. I was just explaining the path forward when it comes to bringing more non-California hispanics back into the fold. The Republican establishment believes you do this via pandering. Instead its a strong America First, main street message combined with common sense stances on cultural issues(that paint a contrast with the wild social engineering ways from the left) that brings them back into the fold.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:42 am to Triple Bogey
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Trump is old as frick now and his performance in the debates was way worse in 2020 than 2016. None of this matters if they pull the mail in ballot bullshite in 2024. They will both be cheated.
You are one weird dude. You say the election was rigged, but at the same time believe the debates were not rigged.
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