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re: Why are conservatives and liberals such polar opposites?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:34 pm to Zach
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:34 pm to Zach
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To compare SS to welfare is beyond retarded
SS is an entitlement. It is a welfare system created so the financially illiterate aren't living on the streets when they are too old to work. You don't want to call it welfare because you are cashing that check every month.
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the recipients are merely getting half of their stolen money back
Your money is gone. You are getting 6.5% of the paychecks of the currently employed, which is why there would be riots if we stopped paying.
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Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:01 pm to Esquire
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You are getting 6.5% of the paychecks of the currently employed
How would you or anyone else know what type of return the same person would have gained if he was allowed to invest the same money on his own instead of having it confiscated?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:56 pm to Revelator
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How would you or anyone else know what type of return the same person would have gained if he was allowed to invest the same money on his own instead of having it confiscated?
I wouldn't and never said I did. The government assumes 0%, which is why we are in this situation in the first place. I'd love the chance to find out though, but it will never happen because our country loves being a welfare state.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:02 pm to Esquire
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SS is an entitlement. It is a welfare system created so the financially illiterate aren't living on the streets when they are too old to work. You don't want to call it welfare because you are cashing that check every month.
Sluff. IE, I have already defeated your argument. Because you are a tard you are merely ignoring my refutation and repeating your original argument.
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Your money is gone. You are getting 6.5% of the paychecks of the currently employed, which is why there would be riots if we stopped paying.
Sluff.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:06 pm to Esquire
quote:I don't even like SS but calling it welfare outs one as an idiot.
SS is an entitlement. It is a welfare system created so the financially illiterate aren't living on the streets when they are too old to work. You don't want to call it welfare because you are cashing that check every month.
Frankly, I wish SS was in fact, ONLY a welfare program.
But noooooooo. FDR wanted to control power and SS was his fricking white whale.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:06 pm to Zach
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Sluff.
You haven't defeated anything. Keep cashing that welfare check, queen.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:12 pm to Revelator
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I believe in what's best for America, anyone who disagrees with me is evil.
Yeah, that's gonna work.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:35 pm to Revelator
We are the good people. The other people are the bad people.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Yeah, that's gonna work.
Why are you posting this to me?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:58 pm to Revelator
You are one stupid mother f*cker!
Posted on 11/30/18 at 3:04 pm to TheLSUTiger
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You are one stupid mother f*cker!
Thanks for contributing exactly zero to this thread.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:03 pm to Zach
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The govt is stealing. The recipients are merely getting half of their stolen money back.
I'm glad that we can all finally agree that taxation is theft
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:16 pm to Revelator
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Why are you posting this to me?
Because of your obvious bias:
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Why are conservatives generally for things that make the country more productive, safer and more moral, while liberals are generally more for things that make the country less productive, more unsafe and less moral?
It's just as moral to want to protect groups as much as to protect individuals.
People can actually disagree on positions without one being right and the other being wrong, necessarily.
For example, when you say you support security, I say that security is contrary to liberty. That doesn't make either one of us right or wrong, it just means we have a difference of opinion. You vote for people who share your opinion, I vote for people who share mine. But you OP makes it look like there can be only one correct position, and if you don't hold it, you're wrong.
That has a LOT to do with what is currently VERY wrong in our political discourse, this insistence on being Right and Wrong, Good vs Evil. It's downright childish.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:21 pm to Revelator
Late to the thread but the entire basis of the differences between the two:
Conservatives believe in individual responsibility and accountability, while liberals believe in collective responsibility and accountability.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:24 pm to Revelator
quote:They aren't. They are both big government - just for different things.
Why are conservatives and liberals such polar opposites?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:27 pm to Chimlim
quote:This ignores centuries of history in this country.
Conservatives believe in individualism. We are responsible for ourselves, if you want a better life, it's on you. This mentality is what led America to be a productive, rich, and moral country. You provide for yourself.
Liberals believe in collectivism. We are all in this together. This mentality voids one of self-responsibility and can shift blame from the individual to a group. This is why they hate white people. Government needs to provide everything through taxation.
These are completely two different mindsets. The problem is that liberals have benefited from this victim mentality. They live their live believing America is against them. Very easy mentality for politicians to cater to.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:28 pm to Revelator
You are framing the tale from your point of view.
Simple version
Democrat. Mommy party.
Republicans. Daddy party.
Thus it was and thus it is and thus it shall be.
Mommy. Nurture.
Daddy. Discipline.
The republicans have let us down as the national debt is greater by more than s trillion than the days of Obama as their 2 years as be all end all ends. Disciplined daddy is not supposed to spend like a drunken sailor when he is already in debt to the Arabs and Chinese.
Simple version
Democrat. Mommy party.
Republicans. Daddy party.
Thus it was and thus it is and thus it shall be.
Mommy. Nurture.
Daddy. Discipline.
The republicans have let us down as the national debt is greater by more than s trillion than the days of Obama as their 2 years as be all end all ends. Disciplined daddy is not supposed to spend like a drunken sailor when he is already in debt to the Arabs and Chinese.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:41 pm to Revelator
quote:Your premise is something Beavis & Butt-Head come up with. “Why do conservatives rock and liberals suck?” If that’s all you can come up with after 10+ years on here, you probably shouldn’t be discussing politics.
Thanks for contributing exactly zero to this thread.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:45 pm to RazorBroncs
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Conservatives believe in individual responsibility and accountability, while liberals believe in collective responsibility and accountability.
I believe this to be largely true.
I also believe in individual responsibility and accountability AS WELL AS collective responsibility and accountability. You don't have to believe in one or the other, you can believe in both.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:14 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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But you OP makes it look like there can be only one correct position, and if you don't hold it, you're wrong.
The problem is, my side is content to let your
side live your lives if you do the same. Problem is, your side doesn't want to let us just live the way we see fit. Y'all want to control every aspect of our lives, including speech and thoughts.
The ironic part is that the left for years complained that the Christian Right was doing exactly what y'all are doing now.
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