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re: Why do American Christians support Israel?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:52 am to Craig86
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:52 am to Craig86
If God has truly turned his back on Israel as a nation, why allow Jews to gather from around the globe, migrate back to Israel, and allow them once again to be a people and nation?
If God is finished with Israel, shouldn’t he have simply left them in exile?
If God is finished with Israel, shouldn’t he have simply left them in exile?
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:55 am to Roger Klarvin
You quoted him, so I assumed those links were targeted at him.
It’s almost 3 am here, and I have to work tomorrow, but I genuinely pray for you, although I suspect you see this as curt and disingenuous, but I assure you it isn’t.
It’s almost 3 am here, and I have to work tomorrow, but I genuinely pray for you, although I suspect you see this as curt and disingenuous, but I assure you it isn’t.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:59 am to Revelator
wow you're corrupt...
people who accept Jesus are the seed of Abraham
period
all you've done is copy and paste scriptures and bold in parts of those and present those as proof of who knows what..
I didn't bold anything in my posts of Galatians. Just posted it. You're the one not liking Galatians.
people who accept Jesus are the seed of Abraham
period
all you've done is copy and paste scriptures and bold in parts of those and present those as proof of who knows what..
I didn't bold anything in my posts of Galatians. Just posted it. You're the one not liking Galatians.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:09 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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all you've done is copy and paste scriptures and bold in parts of those and present those as proof of who knows what..
Actually that’s not true. I’ve tried to post multiple scriptures, I’ve broken down some, and I’ve asked for a rebuttal or at least for you to explain your position or rebut mine. But, you only fall back on that one verse from Galatians or call me corrupt.
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people who accept Jesus are the seed of Abraham
And so are the actual physical defendants of Abraham.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 3:12 am
Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:24 am to Revelator
basically all people on earth have the blood of Abraham - math
curious...what church do you go to?
I'm Christian Church
curious...what church do you go to?
I'm Christian Church
Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:33 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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basically all people on earth have the blood of Abraham - math curious...what church do you go to?
No they don’t! This is a ridiculous statement.
I go to a Baptist church
Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:54 am to Revelator
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No they don’t! This is a ridiculous statement.
of course they do
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I go to a Baptist church
and many Baptists disagree with you on this entire topic
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:08 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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and many Baptists disagree with you on this entire topic
Christians of all types disagree on many doctrines
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:38 am to Revelator
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:46 am to Revelator
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No they don’t! This is a ridiculous statement.
there were about 200k people on the planet during Abraham's time. To say generations to our day in 2021AD have not intermingled with those bloodlines is mathematical lunacy.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:57 am to Revelator
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If God has truly turned his back on Israel as a nation, why allow Jews to gather from around the globe, migrate back to Israel, and allow them once again to be a people and nation?
If God is finished with Israel, shouldn’t he have simply left them in exile?
Read the Book of Judges. There is a repetitive pattern in the relationship between God and the Jews.
Disobedience to God which leads to withdrawal of God's protection. Them repentance which leads to God's favor. It was /is a continuous cycle.
This has not changed. The intervals between each stage was measured in decades.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:19 am to Revelator
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Ezekiel 37: 22 And I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. And one king shall be king over them all, and they shall be no longer two nations, and no longer divided into two kingdoms. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols and their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions. But I will save them from all the backslidings in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God. 24 ¶ “My servant David shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall walk in my rules and be careful to obey my statutes. 25 They shall dwell in the land that I gave to my servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children’s children shall dwell there forever, and David my servant shall be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when my sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.”
That was written during the Babylonian captivity. That was the promise to one day bring the Jews back to the Promised Land which he did. Again, the New Covenant ended all this. Hebrews pretty much states this.
Hebrews 8
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.8 But God found fault with the people and said
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete;and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Old Covenant with the Jews gone. New Covenant with Christians put in place when Jesus died for EVERYONE. End of story. Thread over. Christians, not Jews, are the chosen elect.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 5:21 am
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:20 am to Perfect Circle
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Read the Book of Judges. There is a repetitive pattern in the relationship between God and the Jews. Disobedience to God which leads to withdrawal of God's protection. Them repentance which leads to God's favor. It was /is a continuous cycle. This has not changed. The intervals between each stage was measured in decades.
I understand this, but you also must understand that Israel becoming a nation again is fulfillment of prophecy. Why would anyone expect God to suddenly not fulfill the future prophesies dealing with Israel?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:23 am to Craig86
Why do American heathens support Hamas?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:23 am to msudawg1200
Nm
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 5:43 am
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:26 am to Harry Rex Vonner
People who hold to to replacement theology like yourself are blinded by the father of lies. I've read all your replies to Revelator who has an excellent grasp of scripture and understands God's plan of redemption for the remnant of the Jewish people. And predictably you completely ignore Romans 11 as all replacement theology believers do.
It's sad to see you doubling down on your misguided beliefs and I cringe at your utter lack of biblical wisdom. Selectively picking and choosing scripture without context or discernment is ultimately due to misplaced pride. The enemy feeds on this.
It's sad to see you doubling down on your misguided beliefs and I cringe at your utter lack of biblical wisdom. Selectively picking and choosing scripture without context or discernment is ultimately due to misplaced pride. The enemy feeds on this.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:30 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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there were about 200k people on the planet during Abraham's time. To say generations to our day in 2021AD have not intermingled with those bloodlines is mathematical lunacy.
There are 9 generations listed for the line of Shem in Genesis 11. If we assume that there were no deaths within the first 250 years, and if we assume that each man fathered 5 sons, then we can calculate the size of Shem’s family by 5 times itself 9 times. This gives us a total of 1,953,125 male descendents of Shem at the time of Abraham. If we do the same for Japheth and Ham, we arrive at 5,859,375 males. Then, if we assume a 1;1 male to female ratio, we arrive at a world population estimate of 11,718,750 people at the time of Abraham. 11 million people would be more than enough to account for the heavy population which is apparent in the Genesis account.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:34 am to 632627
quote:Yet Jesus is mentioned by name with reverence several dozen times( even more indirectly) in the Quran. More times than Mohammed is mentioned by name.
There’s a reason why the term judeo-Christian exists, but Muslim-Christian does not.
Judaism doesn't have such a favorable view of Jesus. "Judeo Christian " is a bs modern term.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 6:01 am to Revelator
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This Replacement Theology is embraced by White Supremest groups like the KKK and people like David Duke who feel that White Anglo Saxons are Gods chosen ones.
Just like the progs calling everybody they disagree with racist.
Didn’t you get embarrassed enough in the last version of this thread?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 6:18 am to oklahogjr
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See the thing about Jesus is....he was a Jew.
He was Essene. Which is why you see condemnation of Pharisees and Sadducees in the Bible. The Essene also gave us the Dead Sea Scrolls which focus more on spirituality and consciousness. They also were against people becoming worldly. With modern Jews being heavily involved in worldly systems such as finance, popular culture, and media, why would anyone still think modern Jews have any relation to Christ?
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