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re: Why isn't the Trinity mentioned in the bible?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:27 am to ruffleforeskin
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:27 am to ruffleforeskin
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I'm genuinely curious as to why it's not mentioned, considering it's the foundation of most modern day Christianity.
No you are not.
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:27 am to FooManChoo
quote:Skepticism is absolutely necessary in order to be objective. Skepticism of BOTH answer A and answer B.
Skepticism is not objectivity.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:28 am to Squirrelmeister
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Squirrelmeister
Uh...source?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:29 am to AggieHank86
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It arises from education and intelligence.
It arises from false pride.
The idea of a deity is an affront to your hubris; it implies that you’re automatically not the smartest guy in the room.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:30 am to Squirrelmeister
There are no new heresies.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:33 am to Godfather1
quote:As I have said before, you are a bright guy.
Godfather1
I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that you are familiar with (and have probably read) the extensive scholarship tracing the development of Judaism from its origins in the early polytheistic Canaanite religion.
Do you reject all of that scholarship as being false in some way? If so, why?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:34 am to AggieHank86
quote:As I said, skepticism is not objectivity.
Skepticism is absolutely necessary in order to be objective. Skepticism of BOTH answer A and answer B.
Neutrality is a myth.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:35 am to FooManChoo
quote:Perhaps.
Neutrality is a myth.
But true scholarship at least requires that one strive to achieve it.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:36 am to AggieHank86
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Skepticism of BOTH answer A and answer B.
You've proven time and time again that with most subjects, you've already made your mind up about "answer B".
There isn't a single person on this board that believes you are objective about any subject in any way, shape or form.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:38 am to AggieHank86
You are blinded due to your pride and arrogance.
You, due to your plainly obvious massive insecurities, attempt every day to announce your great intelligence on this board.
I feel sorry for you. You reject faith as some sort of archaic coping mechanism that only "non-scholarly" persons would practice.
The pseudo intellectualism you pursue is your weakness. It exposes you...before God and man.
Of course, if you had more wisdom, and less "intelligence", you would know that.
You, due to your plainly obvious massive insecurities, attempt every day to announce your great intelligence on this board.
I feel sorry for you. You reject faith as some sort of archaic coping mechanism that only "non-scholarly" persons would practice.
The pseudo intellectualism you pursue is your weakness. It exposes you...before God and man.
Of course, if you had more wisdom, and less "intelligence", you would know that.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:39 am to Godfather1
I love watching arguments over religion. It gets so much simpler when you die, but most never come back from that and tell you what they saw.
In case y’all were wondering: Heaven and Hell are real. St. Peter is a literal bearded white dude (white beard to boot) with a big book standing behind a podium who guards the Gates of heaven, which are, in fact, Pearl colored and set in clouds. All of that is literal.
There are, in fact, “plans” for all of us, and St. Peter has them in his book. You don’t have to follow the plan, but you’re put into situations where you can either rise to the occasion, learn a needed lesson, or actively choose whether or not to follow that plan. If you die without completing your plan or before you’re supposed to, St. Peter looks at you VERY surprised and distraught.
Dude was rifling through his book like a 1L law student panicking during an open book exam. Apparently, I wasn’t supposed to be dead yet, and I hadn’t accomplished the mission I was put on earth to do alongside a certain other person. So, they sent me on to another physical location, this time a Temple of Fears (looked a lot like Hell, and I would have assumed it was such if not assured otherwise that it was not), where I was presented a bunch of scenarios designed to teach me the roots of my greatest fears, self-loathing, and insecurities so that I could overcome them all before being revived, and thus be better mentally equipped to deal with whatever mission I was tasked with that they refused to tell me about. shite was absolutely f$&king terrifying, but unbelievably helpful as well, and I feel like a much better person for having gone through it. Serious life changing stuff, like 30 years worth of massive therapy breakthroughs condensed into an hour and change.
But all of that’s neither here, nor there (well, technically it’s both at the same time, but I digress). I’m sure squabbling over insignificant labels and minor doctrinal disputes is a fruitful use of time. Heaven doesn’t seem too concerned with that. They care about how you treat other people, how you strive to better yourself and others, and how you handle adversity.
In case y’all were wondering: Heaven and Hell are real. St. Peter is a literal bearded white dude (white beard to boot) with a big book standing behind a podium who guards the Gates of heaven, which are, in fact, Pearl colored and set in clouds. All of that is literal.
There are, in fact, “plans” for all of us, and St. Peter has them in his book. You don’t have to follow the plan, but you’re put into situations where you can either rise to the occasion, learn a needed lesson, or actively choose whether or not to follow that plan. If you die without completing your plan or before you’re supposed to, St. Peter looks at you VERY surprised and distraught.
Dude was rifling through his book like a 1L law student panicking during an open book exam. Apparently, I wasn’t supposed to be dead yet, and I hadn’t accomplished the mission I was put on earth to do alongside a certain other person. So, they sent me on to another physical location, this time a Temple of Fears (looked a lot like Hell, and I would have assumed it was such if not assured otherwise that it was not), where I was presented a bunch of scenarios designed to teach me the roots of my greatest fears, self-loathing, and insecurities so that I could overcome them all before being revived, and thus be better mentally equipped to deal with whatever mission I was tasked with that they refused to tell me about. shite was absolutely f$&king terrifying, but unbelievably helpful as well, and I feel like a much better person for having gone through it. Serious life changing stuff, like 30 years worth of massive therapy breakthroughs condensed into an hour and change.
But all of that’s neither here, nor there (well, technically it’s both at the same time, but I digress). I’m sure squabbling over insignificant labels and minor doctrinal disputes is a fruitful use of time. Heaven doesn’t seem too concerned with that. They care about how you treat other people, how you strive to better yourself and others, and how you handle adversity.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:41 am to Vandergriff
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You reject faith as some sort of archaic coping mechanism that only "non-scholarly" persons would practice.
Which is incredibly stupid on its face.
History is FULL of incredibly intelligent, creative Christians who have done much to enrich the world.
Of course it's easier to fling monkey poo at Christians from the safety of a keyboard, all the while pretending to hold some sort of self-proclaimed intellectual high-ground.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:42 am to AggieHank86
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Objectivity, not hostility.
It arises from education and intelligence.
"Educated" does NOT equal "Intelligence". Especially not when one is based on the oft-repeated narrative of an established dogma -- whether or not true.
Sure. There is a so-called "Intelligence" quotient. But then "Awareness" quotient is also a subset of "Intelligence". So are vernaculars, "Street Smarts" but far more importantly, "Spiritual Smarts".
What most amazes me most about self-proclaimed Atheists (especially "Intelligent" ones) is their absolute Faith that Nothing-Created-Everything -- and there is no Author of its obvious Design.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:44 am to kingbob
quote:Schrödinger's catechism?
all of that’s neither here, nor there (well, technically it’s both at the same time, but I digress)
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:47 am to AggieHank86
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Schrödinger's catechism?
More or less. It’s like being in two places at once. You can still “feel” your physical body, and your senses are still sorta working, but you’re also not in that body, and are someplace VERY different. It’s a difficult sensation to describe. The longer you’re away from your physical body, the less you can feel it and hear what your ears hear around you, and the more REAL the other side becomes.
You also seem to forget a lot about yourself the longer you’re “gone”. It’s not that it makes you forget, it’s just that it feels of no consequence, like a locker combination from middle school. It just has no bearing on your current existence.
Also, I never met any member of the trinity. I guess they were too busy to need to tend to little ol’ me. Peter was kinda gruff, sarcastic, and beat around the bush a little, but he ultimately got me where I needed to go.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 10:50 am
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:49 am to ruffleforeskin
Does it really matter? Just follow the gospel trinity or no trinity.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:49 am to Liberator
quote:That does seem to be true of many belligerent atheists.
What most amazes me most about self-proclaimed Atheists (especially "Intelligent" ones) is their absolute Faith that Nothing-Created-Everything -- and there is no Author of its obvious Design.
If I had to categorize myself, I would use the term “agnostic deist.” I do not believe strongly in the either the existence or non-existence of a creator deity.
If such an entity exists, however, I suspect that it bears a much closer resemblance to the Paley’s “Great Watchmaker“ than to the Abrahamic God.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:50 am to boxcar willie
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Does it really matter? Just follow the gospel trinity or no trinity.
Right. Step one is I am lost and need a Saviour.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:50 am to boxcar willie
If you literally do nothing but strive to follow the Golden Rule (treat others the way you wish to be treated), you’re doing at least 90% of the work.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:50 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Wrong. The first “Christians” were the apostles. They knew of Christ’s divinity. Peter even proclaimed it.
Peter proclaimed him the Messiah, but he didn’t think Jesus was God. The Messiah was supposed to be a human king in Jewish prophecy. When Jews looked for the Messiah, they thought they were getting another David. Parent poster was trolling, but he’s essentially right; the idea of a divine trinity was two centuries in the making.
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