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re: Zelensky: America, you're not sending us enough money
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Once a simp, always a simp. Never change SFP.
Actions of others don't always necessitate an action on our part. We have major internal issues that money could have been used to address. We should be sending zero dollars over there.
Actions of others don't always necessitate an action on our part. We have major internal issues that money could have been used to address. We should be sending zero dollars over there.
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:13 am to DesScorp
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as of today the United States gives us $1.5 billion every month
I'm pretty sure I keep reading about another several billion to Ukraine.
Americans can't afford this...so just stop already!
Americans should also demand, and receive, an itemized list of where this money has gone.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:15 am to SDVTiger
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They had a peace deal
Bojo and US denied that
Ukraine offered a peace deal that Russia had requested prior to the invasion. No NATO etc.
Russia rejected it because they didn't get their strategic land masses.
Also, the security deal you reference, I believe, was vetoed by UK/US because Ukraine and Russia negotiated peacekeeping by teh US/UK without asking us. Kind of a big deal.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:15 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:It is.
Do you honestly think an international system where unprovoked invasion is precedent and permitted? It's a simple yes or no question
We have this thing called a United Nations. Which is pretty fisking useless. Do we contribute to it? I’d be much surprised if we’re not pretty much the only one doing it.
NATO, now why oh why was that formed again? Who is funding that almost exclusively?
You seem to think Russia shouldn’t look to their own interests. Ukraine has a leader that thought it could poke that bear with no consequences because WE would come in and save them from their own stupidity.
I see no reason to do so.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:16 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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Actions of others don't always necessitate an action on our part.
What about actions of others that affect us?
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We have major internal issues that money could have been used to address.
Sure, but that's not really an alternative option. We still have that money and could still address those issues with it. Our government chooses not to for reasons having nothing to do with Ukraine.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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During Covid, we saw how badly supply chain disruptions frick up our economy and the lives of ordinary Americans
Much like Iraq, Ukraine, and open borders, maybe we should stop intentionally creating these shitty situations
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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You don't think an international system where bad actors can invade strategic areas unprovoked may create similar/worse disruptions?
I think that the idea of involving yourself in a conflict to serve as a deterrent for future conflicts is a pipe dream. Our involvement in the Balkans didn't stop Putin from invading Ukraine. It won't stop China from invading Taiwan.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 7:19 am
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:16 am to SlowFlowPro
I wish no ill on the Ukrainian people, but their government are not our friends. Whether or not Russia was provoked, it is not our responsibility to pay for Ukraine's war. All they have done is prop up our corrupt politicians, which is exactly why the faux administration of ours is paying for all of this. If we had strong leadership, NONE of this would be happening. We can talk crap about Russia all we want, but this is ultimately on our criminal government for creating this instability with utter dependence on Russian gas and oil, rendering any threats coming from our direction to be totally empty, as well as political bed they have made with Ukraine.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Ukraine offered a peace deal that Russia had requested prior to the invasion. No NATO etc.
Russia rejected it because they didn't get their strategic land masses
No they didnt
They had a deal and BOJO/US said no
And now you here you hero demanding regime change
You need to let your tds go
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:19 am to DesScorp
Thus
Isn't
Our
Fight
Ignoring we don't have the money, thunk of what could have been done domestically with $50 billion
Isn't
Our
Fight
Ignoring we don't have the money, thunk of what could have been done domestically with $50 billion
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:19 am to DesScorp
At least he's ugly and short. It would be even more annoying if he looked like Trudeau or something
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:19 am to llfshoals
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NATO, now why oh why was that formed again?
It's a defensive pact.
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You seem to think Russia shouldn’t look to their own interests.
They can, but there are rules and an international system that's been built after the fall of the USSR that's been very beneficial to the world (and the US most of all).
Russia is attempting to disrupt that system. It would try to destroy it if Russia wasn't so weak, because Russia isn't very compatible with the modern international structure.
Russia can "act in their own interest" and do terrible/illegal stuff. Doesn't mean there won't (or shouldn't be) be a response by others to that unprovoked aggression.
Russia is possibly about to lose a lot of ground that's very important to it. It's already going nutso to annex these areas before they lose it so they can try to claim they're the victims. That can have some very bad externalities (via Russia).
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:21 am to lsuguy84
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maybe we should stop intentionally creating these shitty situations
Shitty? You see our standard of living?
Want to take a few steps down? Destroy the system of international cooperation and transparency that's been built post-Cold War.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Stop creating the problems in the first place
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:23 am to SCLibertarian
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Our involvement in the Balkans didn't stop Putin from invading Ukraine.
Uh, it took him 30 years and Covid to invade Ukraine.
Our actions in the Balkans kept Russia in fricking line for over 25 years.
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It won't stop China from invading Taiwan.
China is a c-hair away from reigning in Russia. China isn't stupid and they have to calculate the international response to invading Taiwan. If the world ignored Russia, that calculus changes a great deal for China. Why wouldn't it?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:23 am to DesScorp
Won’t his deficit be smaller now that Russia just made 1/4 of his country Russia?
Maybe Russia can continue to annex until his deficit is 0.
Maybe Russia can continue to annex until his deficit is 0.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:23 am to lsuguy84
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Stop creating the problems in the first place
Did US fund an invasion of Russia via Ukraine?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:25 am to SDVTiger
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No they didnt
LINK
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Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
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Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react.
But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Your subtle nuance isn’t lost on me, I’m just choosing to ignore it
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
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