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re: Cant blame jurgy for this one
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:41 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:41 pm to pvilleguru
Observations from the game. Arg is soooo much faster than us. Really missed Jozy & Wood. JK went with a veteran lineup but we looked nervous. Pulisic looks like he belongs & honestly looked like the best USMNT player after about 5 minutes. Should start for for the next 10 years. Bradley was not good at all. Midfield was awful. Can't wait to see Messi's free kick on TV.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:44 pm to Ghost of Colby
It's obvious Argentina had more talent, but so did the #1 ranked Spain in 2009. The Spanish team that set the international record for consecutive games without a loss in fact. Did we have more talent that day than them? Certainly not. I'm not even sure we had more talent than the current pool of players, but we had a cohesive god damn gameplan that we ran to perfection, while also getting a god like performance out of gooch.
(Also, we had landon donovan, but that's none of my business.)
(Also, we had landon donovan, but that's none of my business.)
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:46 pm to Ghost of Colby
U are riding back too. Lol. I agree with everything u wrote and would add it takes people from Argentina 45 minutes to order popcorn. Was on club and could not get a damn drink or beer. No body serving drinks to the crowd for 300 plus a seat. Come on man.
Without jones and wood we are not very good
Without jones and wood we are not very good
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:51 pm to sgallo3
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we cant trap and control a ball with a defender nearby.
Beckerman, Zusi, and Wondolowski can't do this. However, Nagbe and Pulisic are much more technically skilled players. They are more creative, faster, and much better with the ball at their feet. With their technical skill, speed, and creativity they could have helped to alleviate the pressure that the US constantly found themselves under during the match. Moreover, Nagbe would have allowed Bradley to play a more defensive role. Enormous pressure was placed on Bradley to make the offense move with the lineup Klinsmann used. This is not Bradley's strong suit.
I was afraid what we saw tonight would happen if Klinsmann played Beckerman and Bradley in midfield. I expressed as much in a previous thread that is probably on the second or third page now.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:59 pm to John Keating
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With their technical skill, speed, and creativity they could have helped to alleviate the pressure that the US constantly found themselves under during the match. Moreover, Nagbe would have allowed Bradley to play a more defensive role. Enormous pressure was placed on Bradley to make the offense move with the lineup Klinsmann used. This is not Bradley's strong suit.
this may be a possibility. and its easy to type all that up and believe it, but it also overlooks the fact that pulisic and nagbe are still massively outskilled by the guys argentina had on the pitch. its a lot easier when you arent the coach to say that you wouldve started a guy with 12 professional games over a guy that led you to a world cup knockout and played a minutes to get u to the copa semis, but coaches in any sport always favor the known over the unknown when their job is on the line
i love our young guys and i hope they are huge for us in the future. but the players for argentina are much to physical for a kid like pulisic to change the outcome of that game
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:01 pm to sgallo3
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pulisic and nagbe are still massively outskilled by the guys argentina had on the pitch
not pulisic
now he lacks some physical quality due to his age, but his technical ability is top shelf
you don't start for dortrmund at the wing if you lack elite skill
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:02 pm to sgallo3
It is clear that Klinsmann favors experience and favorability over youth.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
Pulisic got owned tonight.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:04 pm to John Keating
as does every coach in a huge spotlight
its probably something a lot of people wouldnt understand until its your livelihood on the line
its probably something a lot of people wouldnt understand until its your livelihood on the line
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:05 pm to SabiDojo
Wait, a 17 year old got "owned" by the best team in the world? Nice observation jackass. and no, he didn't. He was one of our better attacking options. Our team got owned by Argentina, and the coach has a lot to do with it.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:06 pm to SabiDojo
So did everyone else. I'd rather watch a 17 year old get schooled than 34 year olds
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:12 pm to Cap Crunch
It's not a knock on him at all. It wasn't his fault.
Jurgen putting him out there basically said, "Ok, the game plan is shite and our midfield sucks. Go make something happen!"
No one is denying his talent. He was placed in a no-win situation.
Jurgen putting him out there basically said, "Ok, the game plan is shite and our midfield sucks. Go make something happen!"
No one is denying his talent. He was placed in a no-win situation.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:15 pm to John Keating
As a casual soccer observer, it seems pretty painfully obvious that we don't have the jims and joes. America's best athletes are poached by basketball, football, baseball, and even track before soccer gets to pick.
The youth interest (at least for potential USMNT) just isn't there.
The youth interest (at least for potential USMNT) just isn't there.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:17 pm to sgallo3
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its probably something a lot of people wouldnt understand until its your livelihood on the line
I have no way of knowing this but I believe that Klinsmann knew his status as USMNT manager was safe regardless of what happened tonight.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:18 pm to SabiDojo
Exactly. As a coach you still have a responsibility to your vets in big games/tourneys to give them a chance to go gut out a game when you're massive underdogs. More so than the young players that are gonna have their time to shine.
Do people think schweinsteiger and mario gomez are the future of german soccer? No but they still played for germany today. Because thats how these things work. Its not all fifa 16 where u are trying to level up ur wonderkids attributes
Do people think schweinsteiger and mario gomez are the future of german soccer? No but they still played for germany today. Because thats how these things work. Its not all fifa 16 where u are trying to level up ur wonderkids attributes
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:19 pm to The Pirate King
You need to watch closer. US had the fastest guys on the pitch.
Argentina just has a touch the US doesn't. That's not athleticism, but skill and technique.
Argentina just has a touch the US doesn't. That's not athleticism, but skill and technique.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:20 pm to sgallo3
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Do people think schweinsteiger and mario gomez are the future of german soccer?
Are you really comparing Schweinsteiger and Gomez to Beckerman and Wondo?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:22 pm to americanoutlaw
I agree. US soccer is rudderless. What was the game plan tonight? What is the blueprint going forward? I know most of this board is anti Klinsmann so I'm preaching to the choir, but a radical change is needed.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:23 pm to The Pirate King
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As a casual soccer observer, it seems pretty painfully obvious that we don't have the jims and joes. America's best athletes are poached by basketball, football, baseball, and even track before soccer gets to pick.
This is not an issue. American soccer players are some of the most athletic soccer players in the world. The world's collective opinion regarding an American soccer player is that he is first and foremost a great athlete. He is also viewed as committed and having an excellent work rate. The concern is almost always a perception regarding the lack of technical ability.
You may not have noticed but Messi is around 5'7" 160 lbs. He would probably be the most unathletic member of the USMNT. However, he can do things with the ball that no American player could think of doing and his vision along with his soccer IQ is what separates him as a player. Sebastian Giovinco is the best player in MLS and he is around 5'6" 150 lbs. Yet he runs circles around most defenders.
The last piece of the puzzle for the USMNT is developing technically skilled players. This takes emphasis and generations to develop. The process is underway in academies across the US.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:24 pm to sgallo3
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I guess we could blame wood and jones for getting suspended but our midfield is non existent
It's a 23 man roster. The coach is responsible for calling up replacements.
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