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re: Graph showing growth in MLS interest
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:43 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:43 pm to pvilleguru
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I do. It's no worse than NBA or MLB teams.
People watch MLB and NBA on tv though.
In MLS nobody goes to the games and nobody watches on tv. MLS' market share has dropped dramatically in the last decade and the only way they make any money is to cut new owners in who can then use MLS/SUM as a tax shelter. What kind of a league is that?
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 1:43 pm
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Well bc MLS matches for the most part are localized. Comcast Sports Net whatever or fox sports where ever. Limited national games.
While in soccer first countries ever match on tv is on national cable tv with their equivalent to ESPN. Usually Sky in multiple European countries. Even here in England with 3pm Saturday matches not on tv people find other means and some pubs still show them illegally.
Other leagues are seeing the potential in the US market and are tapping in on it. A major big money tv deal will be the game changer but no one any time soon is shelling out billions for MLS.
While in soccer first countries ever match on tv is on national cable tv with their equivalent to ESPN. Usually Sky in multiple European countries. Even here in England with 3pm Saturday matches not on tv people find other means and some pubs still show them illegally.
Other leagues are seeing the potential in the US market and are tapping in on it. A major big money tv deal will be the game changer but no one any time soon is shelling out billions for MLS.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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In MLS nobody goes to the games and nobody watches on tv.
Well this is just demonstrably false. I go to MLS games and watch MLS games on TV and my mom says I'm gonna grow up and be someone one day.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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In MLS nobody goes to the games and nobody watches on tv.
lol
Posted on 2/13/17 at 4:02 pm to LuckyTiger
I'm guilty of not supporting my local MLS team. It's nice to go to the games occasionally but I just haven't enjoyed watching them play nearly as much as the European league.
I record Chelsea and BVB every game but never consider the MLS.
I record Chelsea and BVB every game but never consider the MLS.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 4:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I mean, i kinda get it. We Americans like to see the best. MLS isnt the best.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 4:41 pm to mizslu314
I bought MLS live for the first time this year. Looking forward to seeing more games. I enjoyed most of the MLS games I watched last year. If you expect MLS to have comparable quality to the EPL with 1/100 the budget, you're gonna have a bad time.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 4:45 pm to cwil177
That's why this thread was stupid from the beginning. He's comparing MLS and the EPL.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 5:19 pm to LuckyTiger
This isn't the first thread like this that he's made.
TLDR MLS sucks it's not as good as other leagues we need pro rel and screw this entire league it's dooming soccer in this country to mediocrity
TLDR MLS sucks it's not as good as other leagues we need pro rel and screw this entire league it's dooming soccer in this country to mediocrity
Posted on 2/13/17 at 5:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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This post was edited on 10/19/25 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's not growing though except for the huge expansion fees they are getting.
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In MLS nobody goes to the games
Major League Soccer Attendance Season Averages:
2000 - 13,756
2001 - 14,961
2002 - 15,822
2003 - 14,898
2004 - 15,559
2005 - 15,108
2006 - 15,504
2007 - 16,770
2008 - 16,450
2009 - 16,037
2010 - 16,675
2011 - 17,872
2012 - 18,807
2013 - 18,608
2014 - 19,148
2015 - 21,574
2016 - 21,692
+58%
In relation to other major leagues:
German Bundesliga - 43,300
English Premier League - 36,472
Spanish La Liga - 28,168
Mexican Liga MX - 24,731
Italian Serie A - 22,644
MLS - 21,692
French Ligue 1 - 20,976
Dutch Eredivisie - 19,412
Japanese J1 - 17,813
English Championship - 17,583
Brasil Serie A - 15,809
Australian A League - 12,309
Belgian A - 11,595
Russian Premier - 11,049
Portuguese Primeira - 10,860
Swedish Allsvenskan - 9,967
Scottish Premiership - 9,584
Turkish SuperLig - 8,677
Danish Superliga - 7,272
Norwegian Tippelagen - 6,674
Argentinian Primera - 6,594
Ukrainian Premyer - 5,012
If pro/rel had been in effect for last season, both Chicago and Houston would have been removed from the top flight (provided you choose the bottom two clubs) and would have been replaced with Indy Eleven and the New York Cosmos, a club that was virtually insolvent and failed to pay its players for over three months. I don't think the US is at the point yet where pro/rel makes sense, be it in financial, stability, competitive, or in long term growth elements.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:55 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Wtf? Compare the MLS to the richest soccer league in the world?
What are the stats in Ukraine for NBA vs Ukrainian league basketball?
What are the stats in Ukraine for NBA vs Ukrainian league basketball?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 7:56 pm to John Keating
No it would all be different and better if not for bad ol MLS and Don Garber. If only these people would spend their money in the manner that suited DS
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:04 pm to Cocotheape
Also, regarding TV, a step forward was taken only two years ago:
Bloomberg
Measured, steady growth, one step at a time.
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An eight-year deal announced Monday with ESPN, Fox, and Univision will raise MLS’s annual broadcast revenue to about $90 million, roughly four times what it collects now.
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So is the big TV deal a quality result for the MLS? Absolutely. Is it a massive coup? Not really. Last year, 6 million people went to an MLS game, almost triple leaguewide attendance 10 years earlier, and the league is welcoming new expansion teams that should cultivate a new crop of fans in Atlanta, New York, and Orlando. “You will see ESPN put a real emphasis on the domestic game of the next eight years,” ESPN President John Skipper said. “We think this is the right time to drive it through.”
Bloomberg
Measured, steady growth, one step at a time.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I don't know how a whole league can frick your girl, but that apparently happened.
I work in the MLS, specifically I work in the front office of the Philadelphia Union. The last 2 years we have gained more season ticket holders and more revenue than ever before. People who have been there since the team's inception talk about how insane even just the last 3 years of the MLS has become.
We are extremely affordable, have a Latino supporter group, our founding supporter group, family atmosphere on the sidelines, and room for lots of groups. We are expecting to sell out 50% of our games this year. We do not have a huge stadium, but 18,500-19,000 people is a good turnout and nothing to sneeze at.
Lastly, as far as "quality" of the league goes...it's not shite. Technically, it is like Conference USA vs the SEC. However, the MLS plays fast, aggressive, and lots of players are athletic. The skill and tactics are lacking at times, but it's still fun to watch.
For instance, watching Memphis vs Western Kentucky football will result in a 62-59 score, the football purist will say it was a shite game...whereas many people still think it was fun as hell. That's the same as the MLS vs Liga and the PL. Both leagues can coexist, and fricktards like you who have to bash the MLS just because it hasn't been around for 100 more years is dumb as shite.
I work in the MLS, specifically I work in the front office of the Philadelphia Union. The last 2 years we have gained more season ticket holders and more revenue than ever before. People who have been there since the team's inception talk about how insane even just the last 3 years of the MLS has become.
We are extremely affordable, have a Latino supporter group, our founding supporter group, family atmosphere on the sidelines, and room for lots of groups. We are expecting to sell out 50% of our games this year. We do not have a huge stadium, but 18,500-19,000 people is a good turnout and nothing to sneeze at.
Lastly, as far as "quality" of the league goes...it's not shite. Technically, it is like Conference USA vs the SEC. However, the MLS plays fast, aggressive, and lots of players are athletic. The skill and tactics are lacking at times, but it's still fun to watch.
For instance, watching Memphis vs Western Kentucky football will result in a 62-59 score, the football purist will say it was a shite game...whereas many people still think it was fun as hell. That's the same as the MLS vs Liga and the PL. Both leagues can coexist, and fricktards like you who have to bash the MLS just because it hasn't been around for 100 more years is dumb as shite.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:19 pm to LuckyTiger
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That's why this thread was stupid from the beginning. He's comparing MLS and the EPL.
And the graph was most recently updated in 2014. Considering a team started play in NYC in 2015 I feel like that would be a bit important to include.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:31 pm to LSUButt
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I work in the MLS, specifically I work in the front office of the Philadelphia Union.
I need my Gooch jersey signed, y'heard?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:42 pm to John Keating
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Major League Soccer Attendance Season Averages:
2000 - 13,756
2001 - 14,961
2002 - 15,822
2003 - 14,898
2004 - 15,559
2005 - 15,108
2006 - 15,504
2007 - 16,770
2008 - 16,450
2009 - 16,037
2010 - 16,675
2011 - 17,872
2012 - 18,807
2013 - 18,608
2014 - 19,148
2015 - 21,574
2016 - 21,692
Those are not how many people are going to these games. That's a dubious "paid" attendance number.
MLS also counts comp tickets in their attendance figures, even those which aren't used. Here's an article which details the practice:
LINK
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:44 pm to LuckyTiger
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That's why this thread was stupid from the beginning. He's comparing MLS and the EPL.
No, I'm comparing the growth in interest in soccer in the United Stated with growth in interest in MLS over that same span. MLS hasn't even come close to matching that demand. You don't find that alarming in the least bit?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:48 pm to John Keating
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If pro/rel had been in effect for last season, both Chicago and Houston would have been removed from the top flight (provided you choose the bottom two clubs)
Not necessarily. You could have pro/rel like they do in Liga MX where it's weighted over a 3 year span.
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and would have been replaced with Indy Eleven and the New York Cosmos, a club that was virtually insolvent and failed to pay its players for over three months.
If there were the possibility of pro/rel, clubs like that would unquestionably be able to find investors MUCH easier than they do now as they are labeled permanently minor league.
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I don't think the US is at the point yet where pro/rel makes sense, be it in financial, stability, competitive, or in long term growth elements.
People say this but it just doesn't hold water. If you opened up the pyramid you'd see investment at all levels in a way you're not seeing right now. Right now the investment is all in MLS because that's the only game in town if you want to be top tier, which just about every major investor wants to possibility of.
MLS also sets up their finances as a tax shelter, so there's even less incentive for these owners to make the league profitable.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 10:08 pm
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