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Judge sides with U.S. Soccer in USWNT's equal pay lawsuit
Posted on 5/2/20 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 5/2/20 at 5:33 pm
https://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/story/_/id/29125363/judge-sides-us-soccer-uswnt-equal-pay-lawsuit?addata=espn:soccer:index
So am I missing a thread on this? Because I don't see one.
So am I missing a thread on this? Because I don't see one.
quote:
A federal judge in California ruled in favor of the United States Soccer Federation on most of the key points in the ongoing wage discrimination lawsuit brought by members of the U.S. women's national team player pool, dealing a potentially fatal setback to the players in the high-profile case.
Players based the lawsuit filed last year on two grounds: first, that U.S. Soccer violated the Equal Pay Act by paying them less than members of the men's national team; and second, that the federation discriminated against them under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, specifically with regard to workplace conditions.
Judge R. Gary Klausner on Friday ruled for U.S. Soccer's motion for summary judgment with regard to the Equal Pay Act, stating in his decision that the players "have not demonstrated a triable issue that WNT players are paid less than MNT players."
Klausner's ruling was informed by the federation's contention that women's players were paid more in total and on a per-game basis than their male counterparts were during the period in question. Friday's ruling cited as undisputed fact that from 2015 to 2019, the women's national team averaged $220,747 per game in total payments (for a total of $24.5 million), while the men's national team averaged $212,639 per game in total payments (for a total of $18.5 million).
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 5:44 pm to beatbammer
I can't wait for the multiple national media news stories on this ruling.
...oh wait
...oh wait
Posted on 5/2/20 at 5:53 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
Goes against the narrative
Posted on 5/2/20 at 6:16 pm to beatbammer
quote:I'm curious as to how many players per game these payments were made to.
Friday's ruling cited as undisputed fact that from 2015 to 2019, the women's national team averaged $220,747 per game in total payments (for a total of $24.5 million), while the men's national team averaged $212,639 per game in total payments (for a total of $18.5 million).
Posted on 5/2/20 at 6:25 pm to beatbammer
Doesn't happen often anymore but it's always refreshing when common sense and justice prevail over emotion fueled victimization.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 6:39 pm to beatbammer
While there’s a part of me who knows they got beat by bad statistics, their entire case has been predicated on trying to use bad statistics to their own advantage.
The real winners here are those of us who know this is a world class shitshow
The real winners here are those of us who know this is a world class shitshow
Posted on 5/2/20 at 6:42 pm to pvilleguru
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I'm curious as to how many players per game these payments were made to.
What purpose would that information serve?
Posted on 5/2/20 at 6:50 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Say because the USWNT has x players on contract, are those payouts to an average of 28 players for the USWNT while the USMNT's payout is to an average of 23 players?
What purpose would that information serve?
Just trying to see if the average USWNT player got paid less/more/equal per game since the stat they used was attributed to the entire team instead of the player.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:06 pm to beatbammer
After reading the summary judgement, and some other legal documents related to the case (rather quickly), I honestly think the USWNT was making an entirely idiotic argument. Perhaps the point of the case was for it to reach the settlement phase, where the USSF would agree use the men's prize money to pay for differences with the women.
In one of the docs, the USSF straight up argued that because of the size and skill, the men and women do not do the same job. While not PC, it is absolutely the truth. The pace of the men's game is beyond anything the women can imagine. While some of the women are athletic, some others, like Abby Dahlkemper, are so slow on the turn it beggars belief that they are international players. Dahlkemper, for comparison's sake, is the same height or taller than players like David Silva and Santi Cazorla, and if they had equally as slow hip movement, they would be Uber drivers, not professional soccer players.
Honestly, while I enjoyed watching the women's WC last summer, I could go my entire life without watching another women's match. It was fine enough to watch, but if these people are going to beat me over the head with this equality talk, when with my own eyes I can see obvious and relevant differences, then I'd rather not watch at all.
In one of the docs, the USSF straight up argued that because of the size and skill, the men and women do not do the same job. While not PC, it is absolutely the truth. The pace of the men's game is beyond anything the women can imagine. While some of the women are athletic, some others, like Abby Dahlkemper, are so slow on the turn it beggars belief that they are international players. Dahlkemper, for comparison's sake, is the same height or taller than players like David Silva and Santi Cazorla, and if they had equally as slow hip movement, they would be Uber drivers, not professional soccer players.
Honestly, while I enjoyed watching the women's WC last summer, I could go my entire life without watching another women's match. It was fine enough to watch, but if these people are going to beat me over the head with this equality talk, when with my own eyes I can see obvious and relevant differences, then I'd rather not watch at all.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:13 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I think they retracted that and took it out of the case. That's what caused Cordeiro to resign.
In one of the docs, the USSF straight up argued that because of the size and skill, the men and women do not do the same job.
This post was edited on 5/2/20 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:21 pm to pvilleguru
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Say because the USWNT has x players on contract, are those payouts to an average of 28 players for the USWNT while the USMNT's payout is to an average of 23 players?
Just trying to see if the average USWNT player got paid less/more/equal per game since the stat they used was attributed to the entire team instead of the player.
That number was based on the total number of games and total compensation. The WNT made $24.5 million for 111 total games between 2015-2019, while the MNT played 87 games and made $18.5 million.
Importantly, it was the USSF's numbers, and the women didn't dispute it. Regardless, I don't think the information was organized to compare the average USWNT player to the average USMNT player. I believe in the USSF's motion for summary judgement they pointed out that the USWNT never name a "comparable male employee" which is a necessity to establish a Equal Pay Act violation. If the USWNT had a comparable male employee which they could have used as a showcase, they would have had a stronger case.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:22 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
I think they retracted that and took it out of the case. That's what caused Cordeiro to resign.
Regardless, we all know it is true.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:29 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Just trying to see if the average USWNT player got paid less/more/equal per game since the stat they used was attributed to the entire team instead of the player.
Why. It’s not relevant.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:31 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I'm well aware.
That number was based on the total number of games and total compensation. The WNT made $24.5 million for 111 total games between 2015-2019, while the MNT played 87 games and made $18.5 million.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:32 pm to crazy4lsu
I just cant understand the comments from WNT players and supporters about the money
THEY COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED THOSE TERMS!!
THEY COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED THOSE TERMS!!
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:41 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
I'm well aware.
But you weren't aware of how the information was organized so that such a "like-for-like" comparison was impossible? I guess you could divide the compensation by the number of players who appeared for each team, and get a ball-park figure. It is telling that the USWNT did not calculate these figures themselves, or dispute the USSF's calculation of the per-game compensation. I don't know how able their lawyers are, but one would like to think that if the per-game compensation did show a wage difference, they would have argued along those lines. They did not, which narrows the conclusions, among them that an itemized report of what each player earned relative to her male competitor would not been a favorable line of argument given their overall argument.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:42 pm to SUB
quote:It kind of is since the judge used the total payout as part of his basis that they weren't paid unfairly. If you give $10k to two teams, one team has 30 players and the other has only 23, can you really say you paid them equally?
Why. It’s not relevant.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:47 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Biden tweeted his support for the women’s team to keep moving forward in the wake of a judge’s ruling against the USWNT in its equal pay lawsuit. Biden said that he wanted U.S. Soccer to pay the women’s team equally to the men’s team. And if it didn’t, he would withdraw support for the 2026 World Cup should he be elected president.
@JoeBiden
To @USWNT: don’t give up this fight. This is not over yet. To @USSoccer: equal pay, now. Or else when I'm president, you can go elsewhere for World Cup funding.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:48 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I never said it was impossible. I just haven't seen it.
But you weren't aware of how the information was organized so that such a "like-for-like" comparison was impossible?
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:52 pm to LSUMJ
quote:From what I've read, I don't think that completely rules out the complaint.
THEY COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED THOSE TERMS!!
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