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Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:29 pm to
Posted by WarSlamEagle
Manchester United Fan
Member since Sep 2011
24611 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:29 pm to
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it's yalls song. United sing it, not us.

I know. And I think it's a little outdated.

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I guess it sucks when your owner won't invest in the club

I'll sleep just find tonight knowing that we won't ever spend like you do.
Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
Member since Oct 2008
117981 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:29 pm to
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From 2007-11, dead last, with a net of -£31,350,000 (£85,150,000 spent, £116,500,000 sold).

City's net is £418,870,000 in that same span, with Chelsea in second with £155,900,000.

United is in eighth with £51,600,000.


And made the knock-outs of the UCL for 12 straight years. I at people who say Arsene doesn't know how to run a franchise.
Posted by WarSlamEagle
Manchester United Fan
Member since Sep 2011
24611 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:31 pm to
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People who say Arsene doesn't know how to run a franchise.

...are idiots.
Posted by Ryne Sandberg
Team Am Mart
Member since Apr 2009
19731 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:44 pm to
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I'll sleep just find tonight knowing that we won't ever spend like you do.

I assume you've been a fan while they have won the League, so considering City have been on top of the League for a total of 10 weeks while I've followed them (1998/1999-Second Division), I'll sleep quite peacefully if we win it.

Again, I 100% expect United to edge us.
Posted by Dijkstra
Michael J. Fox's location in time.
Member since Sep 2007
8745 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:52 pm to
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quote:
People who say Arsene doesn't know how to run a franchise.

...are idiots.


This. I admire Arsenal as a club.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:54 pm to
Manchester City's starting XI today cost them - £190.2 million.
Manchester United's starting XI today cost them - £142.05 million.




Bayern Munich's XI from the semifinal against Real Madrid - £115.72

Posted by Ryne Sandberg
Team Am Mart
Member since Apr 2009
19731 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:57 pm to
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hendersonshands

BOOM! TRUTH BOMBS
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:05 pm to
Dude that's still a full 33% higher.

eta: Liverpool fan, could care less about either team.
This post was edited on 4/30/12 at 6:06 pm
Posted by Dijkstra
Michael J. Fox's location in time.
Member since Sep 2007
8745 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:13 pm to
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BOOM! TRUTH BOMBS


If I wasn't studying for my final I'd get the average number of years playing for each club in their Starting XI. Giggs and Scholes are both like in their 60s, so paying for them 30 years ago doesn't really count.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:14 pm to
I didn't count people who came from academies or youth squads.
Posted by Dijkstra
Michael J. Fox's location in time.
Member since Sep 2007
8745 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:15 pm to
Touché. Booms abound.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
25975 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:39 pm to
Manchester United are £478m in debt

they didn't get there by not spending a shitton, they have the most revenue in the EPL
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:50 pm to
Let me re-state I have no desire to "defend" ManU, but the debt figure has really very little to do with how much they spend and very much to do with how people finance takeovers of sports franchises, and specifically, EPL franchises. eta: Or if you'd like to read about it, here's a link.
This post was edited on 4/30/12 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Oizers
Member since Nov 2009
2689 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:57 pm to
City are like a start up business. They pump in a lot of capital at first to get going. City are merely trying to get a seat at the big boys table. I don't think they will tighten the spending until they feel comfortable with their youth system which is a focal point for them now.
Posted by CTID
Member since Oct 2011
48 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 7:13 pm to
The argument is moot because both sides are always gonna disagree. However, I doubt if the Glazers all of a sudden wanted to invest millions into signing new players, Man United fans would say, "no no, let's do this the right way." You aren't a football purist if your team doesn't spend money, every fan wants their team to spend money. The rub comes in when a team like City spends money and all of a sudden can compete with the big boys. That is understandable because so much of sports is heart ache, and buying a championship is a short cut that aggravates most fans. However, Manchester City could not and can not compete with the revenue stream of Man United, so the owners decide to just inject their own money. This will obviously anger most fans.

But let's be honest, Manchester United currently has (and has had) some of the premiere players in the world. It takes money to pay these players (and Manchester United has money), it takes money to run academies, to pay scouts, etc. Running a football club takes money. To establish a perennially top flight club, it takes loads of money (usually). Manchester United has a well established revenue stream and has amassed money from years of football glory. It took money to get there. It is about money. Why is it that Manchester United is always at the top and other teams (WBA or Wolves) can't stay in the EPL? Money. That is what separates the big boys from the minnows. It is the source of the money that causes the problems.

So the moral high horse of "well at least my club does it the right way" and "i will sleep well tonight knowing that my club doesn't buy players" is good for message board arguments and moral victories. But people are concerned about trophies. Moral victories don't look good in trophy case. Manchester United has won titles because they have the money to consistently field a top flight team. Now City have that ability too. Does this translate into prolonged success? Probably not, at least not the level of success that Man U has enjoyed.

But this aggravation is understandable, the noisy neighbors are obviously getting under SAF's skin too.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
470617 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 7:15 pm to
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when they buy players it is in their younger years

what is the age cutoff?

nasri, kun, balotelli, adam johnson, or hell even silva and dzeko weren't exactly "old" when they were purchased
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39493 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 7:45 pm to
Just watched the game. Terrible tactics from Ferguson. Man City were the better team by some margin.
Posted by ATLienTiger
NOLA
Member since Oct 2006
27084 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 7:49 pm to
Goodness, how the heck do you RA for a ridiculously large Avatar
Posted by thenry712
Zasullia, Ukraine
Member since Nov 2008
15795 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 7:59 pm to

Posted by NewtonReb
Member since Aug 2011
737 posts
Posted on 4/30/12 at 8:04 pm to
Seriously.

DIAF for your avatar.
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