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re: Official Manchester Derby Thread
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:29 pm to Ryne Sandberg
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:29 pm to Ryne Sandberg
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it's yalls song. United sing it, not us.
I know. And I think it's a little outdated.
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I guess it sucks when your owner won't invest in the club
I'll sleep just find tonight knowing that we won't ever spend like you do.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:29 pm to WarSlamEagle
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From 2007-11, dead last, with a net of -£31,350,000 (£85,150,000 spent, £116,500,000 sold).
City's net is £418,870,000 in that same span, with Chelsea in second with £155,900,000.
United is in eighth with £51,600,000.
And made the knock-outs of the UCL for 12 straight years. I
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:31 pm to glassman
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People who say Arsene doesn't know how to run a franchise.
...are idiots.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:44 pm to WarSlamEagle
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I'll sleep just find tonight knowing that we won't ever spend like you do.
I assume you've been a fan while they have won the League, so considering City have been on top of the League for a total of 10 weeks while I've followed them (1998/1999-Second Division), I'll sleep quite peacefully if we win it.
Again, I 100% expect United to edge us.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:52 pm to WarSlamEagle
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People who say Arsene doesn't know how to run a franchise.
...are idiots.
This. I admire Arsenal as a club.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:54 pm to WarSlamEagle
Manchester City's starting XI today cost them - £190.2 million.
Manchester United's starting XI today cost them - £142.05 million.
Bayern Munich's XI from the semifinal against Real Madrid - £115.72
Manchester United's starting XI today cost them - £142.05 million.
Bayern Munich's XI from the semifinal against Real Madrid - £115.72
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:57 pm to hendersonshands
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hendersonshands
BOOM! TRUTH BOMBS
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:05 pm to Ryne Sandberg
Dude that's still a full 33% higher.
eta: Liverpool fan, could care less about either team.
eta: Liverpool fan, could care less about either team.
This post was edited on 4/30/12 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:13 pm to Ryne Sandberg
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BOOM! TRUTH BOMBS
If I wasn't studying for my final I'd get the average number of years playing for each club in their Starting XI. Giggs and Scholes are both like in their 60s, so paying for them 30 years ago doesn't really count.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:14 pm to Dijkstra
I didn't count people who came from academies or youth squads.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:15 pm to hendersonshands
Touché. Booms abound.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:39 pm to Dijkstra
Manchester United are £478m in debt
they didn't get there by not spending a shitton, they have the most revenue in the EPL
they didn't get there by not spending a shitton, they have the most revenue in the EPL
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:50 pm to sgallo3
Let me re-state I have no desire to "defend" ManU, but the debt figure has really very little to do with how much they spend and very much to do with how people finance takeovers of sports franchises, and specifically, EPL franchises. eta: Or if you'd like to read about it, here's a link.
This post was edited on 4/30/12 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:57 pm to WarSlamEagle
City are like a start up business. They pump in a lot of capital at first to get going. City are merely trying to get a seat at the big boys table. I don't think they will tighten the spending until they feel comfortable with their youth system which is a focal point for them now.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 7:13 pm to sgallo3
The argument is moot because both sides are always gonna disagree. However, I doubt if the Glazers all of a sudden wanted to invest millions into signing new players, Man United fans would say, "no no, let's do this the right way." You aren't a football purist if your team doesn't spend money, every fan wants their team to spend money. The rub comes in when a team like City spends money and all of a sudden can compete with the big boys. That is understandable because so much of sports is heart ache, and buying a championship is a short cut that aggravates most fans. However, Manchester City could not and can not compete with the revenue stream of Man United, so the owners decide to just inject their own money. This will obviously anger most fans.
But let's be honest, Manchester United currently has (and has had) some of the premiere players in the world. It takes money to pay these players (and Manchester United has money), it takes money to run academies, to pay scouts, etc. Running a football club takes money. To establish a perennially top flight club, it takes loads of money (usually). Manchester United has a well established revenue stream and has amassed money from years of football glory. It took money to get there. It is about money. Why is it that Manchester United is always at the top and other teams (WBA or Wolves) can't stay in the EPL? Money. That is what separates the big boys from the minnows. It is the source of the money that causes the problems.
So the moral high horse of "well at least my club does it the right way" and "i will sleep well tonight knowing that my club doesn't buy players" is good for message board arguments and moral victories. But people are concerned about trophies. Moral victories don't look good in trophy case. Manchester United has won titles because they have the money to consistently field a top flight team. Now City have that ability too. Does this translate into prolonged success? Probably not, at least not the level of success that Man U has enjoyed.
But this aggravation is understandable, the noisy neighbors are obviously getting under SAF's skin too.

But let's be honest, Manchester United currently has (and has had) some of the premiere players in the world. It takes money to pay these players (and Manchester United has money), it takes money to run academies, to pay scouts, etc. Running a football club takes money. To establish a perennially top flight club, it takes loads of money (usually). Manchester United has a well established revenue stream and has amassed money from years of football glory. It took money to get there. It is about money. Why is it that Manchester United is always at the top and other teams (WBA or Wolves) can't stay in the EPL? Money. That is what separates the big boys from the minnows. It is the source of the money that causes the problems.
So the moral high horse of "well at least my club does it the right way" and "i will sleep well tonight knowing that my club doesn't buy players" is good for message board arguments and moral victories. But people are concerned about trophies. Moral victories don't look good in trophy case. Manchester United has won titles because they have the money to consistently field a top flight team. Now City have that ability too. Does this translate into prolonged success? Probably not, at least not the level of success that Man U has enjoyed.
But this aggravation is understandable, the noisy neighbors are obviously getting under SAF's skin too.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 7:15 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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when they buy players it is in their younger years
what is the age cutoff?
nasri, kun, balotelli, adam johnson, or hell even silva and dzeko weren't exactly "old" when they were purchased
Posted on 4/30/12 at 7:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Just watched the game. Terrible tactics from Ferguson. Man City were the better team by some margin.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 7:49 pm to WarSlamEagle
Goodness, how the heck do you RA for a ridiculously large Avatar 
Posted on 4/30/12 at 8:04 pm to ATLienTiger
Seriously.
DIAF for your avatar.
DIAF for your avatar.
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