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Restructuring of Old Soviet Mindset

Posted on 6/16/16 at 9:33 pm
Posted by Mr Personality
Bangkok
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 9:33 pm
We have good players. And before you say we don't, frick you.

But the Russian and Ukrainian leagues and the idea that "Russians should play in front of Russians" is wrong.

Arshavin gained much more nortoriety by being an Arsenal player. Same for Shevchenko at Milan.

That's like saying Ovechkin or Malkin should never leave.

They still love their country, but our leagues are not helping our players grow.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 9:37 pm to
We really don't give a shite right now, comrade. The yanks are on the tube


Also you contradicted yourself.

"We have good players but they all play in Russia and Ukraine"
"Our leagues aren't helping our players grow"

Can't have it both ways comrade
Posted by Mr Personality
Bangkok
Member since Mar 2014
27364 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 9:39 pm to
That's not a contradiction.

They are good, but peak at a certain level domestically. The peak could be higher abroad.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 9:41 pm to
What's holding them back? Konoplyanka might be the best of the bunch and he's in Spain

We'll talk later
This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 9:42 pm
Posted by Mr Personality
Bangkok
Member since Mar 2014
27364 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 9:43 pm to
Yes. Konoplyanka is in Spain. Cheryshev is in Spain.

More of our players should do this.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 9:44 pm to
Comrade, a pipeline to the Championship could toughen them up
Posted by Mr Personality
Bangkok
Member since Mar 2014
27364 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 9:49 pm to
A Ukrainian plays in the Segunda Division for Ponferradina, but they got relegated to 3rd tier.

Let him come to Leeds.
Posted by Mr Personality
Bangkok
Member since Mar 2014
27364 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 9:57 pm to
High wages and domestic limits on foreigners are holding them back.

Zenit and CSKA are rich clubs. Richer than say Stoke City.

But Russian clubs in RFPL matches must have 4 Russians on the pitch at all times.

This leads to overpayment and us signing shite players like Artur Yusupov just to meet quotas.

The whole system is flawed.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 10:06 pm to
You can't forget about Tymoshchuk
Posted by Mr Personality
Bangkok
Member since Mar 2014
27364 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 10:14 pm to
Yes, Anatoliy at Bayern. Voronin at Liverpool.

Posted by Piscinin
the hills
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 10:33 pm to
just casually waiting for Sheva 2.0 to emerge
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 1:44 am to
Like you said, comrade, something needs to change.

More players need to have the heart to compete like Arshavin and Diniyar Bilyaletdinov had early on in their careers.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86979 posts
Posted on 6/17/16 at 2:02 am to
Arshavin sucked at Arsenal. He got to Arsenal by putting on a show with Russia.

Him going to Arsenal didn't make him or team Russia better. Just think he's a terrible example for your point.
This post was edited on 6/17/16 at 2:04 am
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 2:06 am to
4 at one time is bad, but 5-6 like in Turkey a few years ago is even more problematic. It will hurt the league coefficient rating, too.

It does seem odd that there are fewer Russians abroad now than a decade ago. Karpin, Salenko, Popov, Mostovoi, and Beschastnykh all did really well for themselves in Spain. However, their Russian squads didn't fare well in 1994, 1996, or 2002. And they didn't even make it to 1998 or 2000.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29567 posts
Posted on 6/17/16 at 6:32 am to
quote:

Arshavin sucked at Arsenal. He got to Arsenal by putting on a show with Russia.

Him going to Arsenal didn't make him or team Russia better. Just think he's a terrible example for your point.


He was played out of position by Arsene, and kind of wasted tbh
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