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re: USMNT Gold Cup Preliminary Roster
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:33 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:33 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Canada has Davies and David on their prelim roster.
Can’t imagine they actually take them
Can’t imagine they actually take them
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Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:52 am to Broski
Canada might, since they didn’t have to play in nations league and those guys are very established at their clubs.
No Luca de la Torre is disappointing. I wonder if he is getting a transfer somewhere. I can’t think of any reason for him to not be on the roster.
No Luca de la Torre is disappointing. I wonder if he is getting a transfer somewhere. I can’t think of any reason for him to not be on the roster.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 6:47 am to cwil177
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Canada might, since they didn’t have to play in nations league and those guys are very established at their clubs.
They weren't in Nations League, but they just finished playing 5 WCQ games.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 7:56 am to pvilleguru
Good point, I forgot about that.
Any idea why Luca de la Torre didn’t make the 60?
Any idea why Luca de la Torre didn’t make the 60?
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:08 am to cwil177
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Any idea why Luca de la Torre didn’t make the 60?
Posted on 6/22/21 at 3:57 pm to pvilleguru
Starting to think about a final roster.
GK:
Tim Melia
Bill Hamid
Brad Guzan
Sean Johnson
Matt Turner
LB:
George Bello
Chase Gasper
Johnathan Gomez
Sam Vines
CB:
Cameron Carter-Vickers
Justin Che
Henry Kessler
Erik Palmer-Brown
Donovan Pines
Miles Robinson
James Sands
Auston Trusty
Walker Zimmerman
RB:
Julian Araujo
Reggie Cannon
Kyle Duncan
Aaron Herrera
Shaq Moore
CDM:
Johnny Cardoso
Leon Flach
Moses Nyeman
Andres Perea
Kellyn Acosta
Jackson Yueill
CM:
Frankie Amaya
Cole Bassett
Gianluca Busio
Caden Clark
Julian Green
Sebastian Lletget
Paxton Pomykal
Christian Roldan
Hassani Dotson
Tanner Tessmann
Eryk Williamson
Wing:
Paul Arriola
Corey Baird
Jonathan Lewis
Djordje Mihailovic
Chris Mueller
Kevin Paredes
Memo Rodriguez
Mason Toye
ST:
Jozy Altidore
Cade Cowell
Daryl Dike
Jeremy Ebobisse
Jesus Ferreira
Nicholas Gioacchini
Matthew Hoppe
Rubio Rubin
Ricardo Pepi
Robbie Robinson
Gyasi Zardes
GK:
Tim Melia
Bill Hamid
Brad Guzan
Sean Johnson
Matt Turner
LB:
George Bello
Chase Gasper
Johnathan Gomez
Sam Vines
CB:
Cameron Carter-Vickers
Justin Che
Henry Kessler
Erik Palmer-Brown
Donovan Pines
Miles Robinson
James Sands
Auston Trusty
Walker Zimmerman
RB:
Julian Araujo
Reggie Cannon
Kyle Duncan
Aaron Herrera
Shaq Moore
CDM:
Johnny Cardoso
Leon Flach
Moses Nyeman
Andres Perea
Kellyn Acosta
Jackson Yueill
CM:
Frankie Amaya
Cole Bassett
Gianluca Busio
Caden Clark
Julian Green
Sebastian Lletget
Paxton Pomykal
Christian Roldan
Hassani Dotson
Tanner Tessmann
Eryk Williamson
Wing:
Paul Arriola
Corey Baird
Jonathan Lewis
Djordje Mihailovic
Chris Mueller
Kevin Paredes
Memo Rodriguez
Mason Toye
ST:
Jozy Altidore
Cade Cowell
Daryl Dike
Jeremy Ebobisse
Jesus Ferreira
Nicholas Gioacchini
Matthew Hoppe
Rubio Rubin
Ricardo Pepi
Robbie Robinson
Gyasi Zardes
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 10:58 am to pvilleguru
Here’s my preference. Not quite what I think Berhalter will do though.
GK:
Tim Melia
Bill Hamid
Brad Guzan
Sean Johnson
Matt Turner
Turner starts majority of games to show what he can do for the nats. He seems to pretty clearly be a top 2-3 shot stopper in the pool.
LB:
George Bello
Chase Gasper
Johnathan Gomez
Sam Vines
Vines starting with Bello getting sub minutes and maybe a start against one of the concacaf minnows.
CB:
Cameron Carter-Vickers
Justin Che
Henry Kessler
Erik Palmer-Brown
Donovan Pines
Miles Robinson
James Sands
Auston Trusty
Walker Zimmerman
This one is tough. I want to see plenty of CCV in this tournament. Guy has earned a chance to prove himself. Zimm will make the 23 but I’d prefer to see what we have with Sands, Che, and Miles. I want to see EPB too
RB:
Julian Araujo
Reggie Cannon
Kyle Duncan
Aaron Herrera
Shaq Moore
Araujo starts most games. Che can play right back if needed to give him a rest.
CDM:
Johnny Cardoso
Leon Flach
Moses Nyeman
Andres Perea
Kellyn Acosta
Jackson Yueill
Busio should play the 6 like he does at SKC and Sands can play there as well. Don’t m think Nyeman or Flach are quite ready yet. Wasn’t impressed by Perea or Cardoso in the U23 camp but we can just file that under #frickkreis for now.
CM:
Frankie Amaya
Cole Bassett
Gianluca Busio
Caden Clark
Julian Green
Sebastian Lletget
Paxton Pomykal
Christian Roldan
Hassani Dotson
Tanner Tessmann
Eryk Williamson
Want to see lots of minutes from Williamson, Clark, and Green. Pomykal spot minutes since he’s still getting fitness back from injury time off. Tessman was a rare bright spot in the U23 camp so I say give him another shot even if he hasn’t impressed for FCD.
Wing:
Paul Arriola
Corey Baird
Jonathan Lewis
Djordje Mihailovic
Chris Mueller
Kevin Paredes
Memo Rodriguez
Mason Toye
I have a soft spot for Arriola. Dude is just a workhorse and you need that in a tournament format. Paredes will provide the sauce. Cowell can also play as a wing.
ST:
Jozy Altidore
Cade Cowell
Daryl Dike
Jeremy Ebobisse
Jesus Ferreira
Nicholas Gioacchini
Matthew Hoppe
Rubio Rubin
Ricardo Pepi
Robbie Robinson
Gyasi Zardes
Dike for obvious reasons and I just really want to see Hoppe with the national team.
GK:
Tim Melia
Bill Hamid
Brad Guzan
Sean Johnson
Matt Turner
Turner starts majority of games to show what he can do for the nats. He seems to pretty clearly be a top 2-3 shot stopper in the pool.
LB:
George Bello
Chase Gasper
Johnathan Gomez
Sam Vines
Vines starting with Bello getting sub minutes and maybe a start against one of the concacaf minnows.
CB:
Cameron Carter-Vickers
Justin Che
Henry Kessler
Erik Palmer-Brown
Donovan Pines
Miles Robinson
James Sands
Auston Trusty
Walker Zimmerman
This one is tough. I want to see plenty of CCV in this tournament. Guy has earned a chance to prove himself. Zimm will make the 23 but I’d prefer to see what we have with Sands, Che, and Miles. I want to see EPB too
RB:
Julian Araujo
Reggie Cannon
Kyle Duncan
Aaron Herrera
Shaq Moore
Araujo starts most games. Che can play right back if needed to give him a rest.
CDM:
Johnny Cardoso
Leon Flach
Moses Nyeman
Andres Perea
Kellyn Acosta
Jackson Yueill
Busio should play the 6 like he does at SKC and Sands can play there as well. Don’t m think Nyeman or Flach are quite ready yet. Wasn’t impressed by Perea or Cardoso in the U23 camp but we can just file that under #frickkreis for now.
CM:
Frankie Amaya
Cole Bassett
Gianluca Busio
Caden Clark
Julian Green
Sebastian Lletget
Paxton Pomykal
Christian Roldan
Hassani Dotson
Tanner Tessmann
Eryk Williamson
Want to see lots of minutes from Williamson, Clark, and Green. Pomykal spot minutes since he’s still getting fitness back from injury time off. Tessman was a rare bright spot in the U23 camp so I say give him another shot even if he hasn’t impressed for FCD.
Wing:
Paul Arriola
Corey Baird
Jonathan Lewis
Djordje Mihailovic
Chris Mueller
Kevin Paredes
Memo Rodriguez
Mason Toye
I have a soft spot for Arriola. Dude is just a workhorse and you need that in a tournament format. Paredes will provide the sauce. Cowell can also play as a wing.
ST:
Jozy Altidore
Cade Cowell
Daryl Dike
Jeremy Ebobisse
Jesus Ferreira
Nicholas Gioacchini
Matthew Hoppe
Rubio Rubin
Ricardo Pepi
Robbie Robinson
Gyasi Zardes
Dike for obvious reasons and I just really want to see Hoppe with the national team.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:34 pm to unctiger4
I want to be as experimental as possible, especially with the strikers because that is really the only spot where we're not sure who is ahead on the depth chart.
For GK, give me Turner make him the #1, don't care who the other 2 behind him are.
The defensive pool has a lot of fun choices. I'm betting we see Che. Shame we won't see Richards for anything this Spring/Summer.
In the #6, I want nothing to do with Cardoso. Would like to see Flach, but Acosta is a lock for this roster. We have to find someone to backup Adams. Julian Green has played that role for Fuerth as well. Give him a shot, same with Williamson.
Our winger options are straight garbage outside of nipples.
ETA: It also makes zero sense to not play at least one friendly with this experimental group before going into a fairly tough Gold Cup group.
For GK, give me Turner make him the #1, don't care who the other 2 behind him are.
The defensive pool has a lot of fun choices. I'm betting we see Che. Shame we won't see Richards for anything this Spring/Summer.
In the #6, I want nothing to do with Cardoso. Would like to see Flach, but Acosta is a lock for this roster. We have to find someone to backup Adams. Julian Green has played that role for Fuerth as well. Give him a shot, same with Williamson.
Our winger options are straight garbage outside of nipples.
ETA: It also makes zero sense to not play at least one friendly with this experimental group before going into a fairly tough Gold Cup group.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:43 pm to Broski
Why not Cardoso?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:50 pm to Broski
quote:
It also makes zero sense to not play at least one friendly with this experimental group before going into a fairly tough Gold Cup group
Play a friendly against who? Probably don't want to play a team you might face in the Gold Cup. All of CONMEBOL is busy with Copa America. Most of UEFA is busy with Euros. Asia just finished some WCQ games, so they would be unlikely to put another team together. There really just aren't many options.
You could play a REALLY shitty CONCACAF team, but the risk of injury would outweigh the reward.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:53 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Probably don't want to play a team you might face in the Gold Cup
Why the frick not?
Played against Jamaica before the 2019 Gold Cup.
Just something to give this group (which will have quite a few players new to the system) a warm up and get acquainted with the tactics.
quote:
but the risk of injury would outweigh the reward.
The "injury" argument is such a lazy one used across all sports. Pre-tournament friendlies are pretty much an international standard, lets not act like fitness would be in question if they played it.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:57 pm to Keys Open Doors
quote:
Why not Cardoso?
Because he's not creative enough to play the 8/10 and too slow to be the 6.
Yeah, he's only 19 but every time I've watched him he has looked lost, especially in Olympic qualifying.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:10 pm to Broski
quote:
The "injury" argument is such a lazy one used across all sports. Pre-tournament friendlies are pretty much an international standard, lets not act like fitness would be in question if they played it.
I think playing a team so far below your skill level likely increases the risk of something like a bad tackle, an elbow to the head, etc. just because the other player has terrible technique. If we were to schedule a non-Gold Cup CONCACAF team, then you're looking at playing one of the worst teams in the world (and most of them are unavailable because they are still trying to qualify for the Gold Cup). You aren't likely to learn anything. You'd be better off playing a closed door scrimmage against a USL team.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:14 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
I think playing a team so far below your skill level likely increases the risk of something like a bad tackle, an elbow to the head, etc. just because the other player has terrible technique.
So is playing in the Gold Cup.
Again, if to avoid injury is the only reason to not play, it's a terrible argument, because it's such a chaos factor theory.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:17 pm to Broski
quote:
So is playing in the Gold Cup
Playing in the Gold Cup is worth the risk of injury. Playing the Virgin Islands 4 days before the 1st game is not.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:19 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Playing in the Gold Cup is worth the risk of injury.
Why?
Because it's the Gold Cup?
quote:
laying the Virgin Islands 4 days before the 1st game is not.
When did I ever infer that it should be a team like the Virgin Islands?
That's such a strawmawn.
Again, we played Jamaica in a pre-tournament friendly before later playing them in the semis.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:26 pm to Broski
quote:
Why?
Because it's the Gold Cup?
Because that is the reason the team in together.
quote:
When did I ever infer that it should be a team like the Virgin Islands?
You didn't. I did.
quote:
Again, we played Jamaica in a pre-tournament friendly before later playing them in the semis
Yeah, and I'm generally against that.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:32 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Because that is the reason the team in together.
But if you're afraid of injury, why does it matter if it's a friendly or not?
How do you not see how flawed that thinking is?
You can't have a selective fear of something that can happen without any rhyme or reason.
quote:
You didn't. I did.
Well it's a dumb inference considering it adds nothing to the discussion and is just wishful thinking on your part to support a pretty flimsy argument.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 3:18 pm to cwil177
quote:
Any idea why Luca de la Torre didn’t make the 60?
The Athletic just put out an interview with him. I'm not a subscriber, but apparently he asked to not be included due to his club situation.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:13 pm to pvilleguru
That’s weird. He’s a locked in starter so idk why he feels he needs all of preseason with them.
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