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re: Why isn't US men's soccer better than it is?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:38 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:38 pm to crazy4lsu
true. not many football or basketball players have the body type for soccer. Soccer players generally aren't 6'8 300 lbs. Plus being great at soccer is much more cerebral and skillfull and working within an understanding a team concept than a football or basketball player would be capable of.
Maybe a few of the NBA point guards, such as westbrook (not sure he would be cerebral enough though) or Tony Parker could have been good soccer players but not that many.
Maybe a few of the NBA point guards, such as westbrook (not sure he would be cerebral enough though) or Tony Parker could have been good soccer players but not that many.
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:41 pm to boxcar willie
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Tony Parker
He's French and played soccer as a youth.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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That's not correct and is plainly false
How the frick you figure if soccer was the #1 sport that drew our nation’s best that we wouldn’t have an infrastructure that could compete on the world stage? We are competitive in every other world competitions.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:47 pm to ShamelessPel
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How the frick you figure if soccer was the #1 sport that drew our nation’s best that we wouldn’t have an infrastructure that could compete on the world stage? We are competitive in every other world competitions.
Because it's well known what works in soccer and what doesn't work in terms of technical development. We don't do what is right, or rather, only recently started doing what's right. We would waste the talent even if it were the no.1 sport in the US. There are multiple models that show you don't need a large player pool. You need the appropriate development regardless of the player pool. The Europeans have it right. We don't.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:48 pm to boxcar willie
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not many football or basketball players have the body type for soccer. Soccer players generally aren't 6'8 300 lbs.
So you're saying offensive and defensive linemen wouldn't make great soccer players.
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Plus being great at soccer is much more cerebral and skillfull and working within an understanding a team concept than a football or basketball player would be capable of.
You're giving way too much credit to a lot poor countries or countries that don't have near the level educational advantages that we do. The sport itself doesn't require a higher level of intellect than any other and soccer players on average are no smarter than any football or basketball player.
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Maybe a few of the NBA point guards, such as westbrook (not sure he would be cerebral enough though) or Tony Parker could have been good soccer players but not that many.
I don't want to pile on but this is just wrong buddy. We have millions of athletes across this country that would make perfect soccer players. More than anyone by a whole lot.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:49 pm to mynamebowl
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We have millions of athletes across this country that would make perfect soccer players. More than anyone by a whole lot.
And these athletes aren't targeted by any sport, since American sports tend to favor size especially. There are a bunch of 5'8 dudes who would be wonderful soccer players.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:53 pm to mynamebowl
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You're giving way too much credit to a lot poor countries or countries that don't have near the level educational advantages that we do.
our educational system is a detriment to developing soccer players.
the best players are in soccer academies at 13-14 years old and skip out on the rest of schooling
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:54 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Pay to play has nothing to do with it. That’s just a buzzword. There is no lack of opportunity.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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Because it's well known what works in soccer and what doesn't work in terms of technical development. We don't do what is right, or rather, only recently started doing what's right. We would waste the talent even if it were the no.1 sport in the US. There are multiple models that show you don't need a large player pool. You need the appropriate development regardless of the player pool. The Europeans have it right. We don't.
Dude. How can you really believe this? What makes you think that in an alternate universe where all of America's athletes and resources were dedicated to one sport, that we wouldn't be at least as good as anyone. It's way more likely that we would dominate the world. You can't factor in our current backwards system of developing talent in this scenario. America is basically the best at whatever we decide we want to be the best at. For the sake of this argument, soccer would be that thing.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:58 pm to mynamebowl
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You can't factor in our current backwards system of developing talent in this scenario.
I literally cannot imagine the US with a functional youth system.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:59 pm to crazy4lsu
American kids should start with soccer and then progress to other sports if they want to. Let the diamonds rise to the top.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:59 pm to Xenophon
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Pay to play has nothing to do with it.
it kinda does. because unless you live in a huge city like LA you are gonna have to do a lot of traveling to find any games with legit competition. a potential messi that grows up in Kinder, Louisiana is gonna have a less than 1% chance of ever reaching that potential just because of all the obstacles him and his family would have to go through to get him into the right system to recognize that potential. odds are he is gonna pick up a baseball bat long before he ever sets foot on a soccer field
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:00 pm to mynamebowl
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America is basically the best at whatever we decide we want to be the best at
yeah. we really beat the shite out of that Usain Bolt guy with our superior talent
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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There are a bunch of 5'8 dudes who would be wonderful soccer players
It's the slot receiver type guys that would be great playing soccer from an athleticism standpoint.
Steve Smith talking shite at a world cup would have been amazing TV.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:02 pm to sgallo3
It's absurd that we're competitive in just about all other "niche" sports outside of the big 3 and somehow not in really in soccer.
Hockey
Olympics Sports Winter and Summer
Golf
Tennis (not lately)
MTB
Cycling
Ever Single Extreme Sport
Yet somehow we're a fricking joke in a sport that participation wise nationwide, is larger than hockey.
It's a huge systematic problem and we keep putting all the wrong people in charge of trying to "Fix" it. This and the lack of pay to play/real academies.
Oh and most of our fans are terrible mouth breather/neckbeards that never played any sport at all and now call themselves the "outlawz"
Hockey
Olympics Sports Winter and Summer
Golf
Tennis (not lately)
MTB
Cycling
Ever Single Extreme Sport
Yet somehow we're a fricking joke in a sport that participation wise nationwide, is larger than hockey.
It's a huge systematic problem and we keep putting all the wrong people in charge of trying to "Fix" it. This and the lack of pay to play/real academies.
Oh and most of our fans are terrible mouth breather/neckbeards that never played any sport at all and now call themselves the "outlawz"
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:03 pm to sgallo3
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yeah. we really beat the shite out of that Usain Bolt guy with our superior talent
What an argument. You really got everyone there.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:03 pm to ShamelessPel
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If our best athletes were playing soccer, our infrastructure would be light years ahead of where it is
Wut?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:03 pm to crazy4lsu
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And these athletes aren't targeted by any sport, since American sports tend to favor size especially. There are a bunch of 5'8 dudes who would be wonderful soccer players.
This is an old, dumb argument used by soccer fanboys that don't know much about the way other American sports work and typically resent those other sporting cultures. It's so silly man. There are literally millions of 5'7 - 6'0 football and baseball players. They're actually more common than these giant, slow-footed, lumbering fools that some of you guys seem to think American sports are full of.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:03 pm to RollTide4Ever
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American kids should start with soccer and then progress to other sports if they want to. Let the diamonds rise to the top.
American football is already dying at the youth level. Give it a couple more decades. Any parent with the slightest bit of education does not let their kids play American football.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:06 pm to mynamebowl
But professional MLB players tend to be larger and heavier, no?
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