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re: World Cup Group D | Argentina v Croatia | FOX | 1:00 PM CDT
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:16 pm to Caplewood
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:16 pm to Caplewood
Do you consider Thierry Henry, Lilian Thuram, and Patrick Vieira to be French? Do you consider Thiago Alcantara to be Spanish? Do you consider Mesut Ozil to be German?
I would think so. Alejandro’s alter doesn’t so Kengel’s point is valid.
I guess Alejandro role playing as Richard Spencer doesn’t realize the Russians have a Brazilian starter, either.
I would think so. Alejandro’s alter doesn’t so Kengel’s point is valid.
I guess Alejandro role playing as Richard Spencer doesn’t realize the Russians have a Brazilian starter, either.
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:19 pm to kengel2
I see where you are going with this but you should specify Nigel has some actual connection to Nigeria.
You can be completely non racist and not want random foreigners on your national team. Messi and Ronaldo shouldn’t be on the USMNT. But Rodney Wallace absolutely should.
You can be completely non racist and not want random foreigners on your national team. Messi and Ronaldo shouldn’t be on the USMNT. But Rodney Wallace absolutely should.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:56 pm to Keys Open Doors
Those who downvotes my Icardi post, y’all know he pulled a John Terry, right?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:00 pm to Keys Open Doors
I hate sticking up for his dumbass but saying it’s nice to see a team made up of the nations traditional demographics isn’t racist, it’s just an observation. That was my only point with kengel
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:15 pm to Caplewood
Wait, an “observation” cannot be racist? It’s called a racists observation.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:36 pm to Caplewood
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I hate sticking up for his dumbass but saying it’s nice to see a team made up of the nations traditional demographics isn’t racist, it’s just an observation. That was my only point with kengel
And again it was a joke that obviously went over your head. Look at the picture, it's all white dudes. He couldn't have picked Iran or something.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:47 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Do you consider Thierry Henry, Lilian Thuram, and Patrick Vieira to be French? Do you consider Thiago Alcantara to be Spanish? Do you consider Mesut Ozil to be German?
Ain't one of them black players on France French. Nothing but Africans born in France. And racism has nothing to do with it. Neither is Ozil, Khedira, or Boateng German, if they weren't athletes they probably wouldn't even be considered German citizens. As Germany rarely considers foreigners born in Germany German. German citizenship is extremely hard to get unless you are ethnic. I have several family members that were born in Germany during the 90s Yugoslav war migration and none have citizenship. These are not artificial countries like the United States. German, French, Russian, etc all have distinct ethnic backgrounds that distinguish them from other groups. When you see a Russian walking around you know it's a Russian just by looking at him. Back in the day a foreigner was unheard on a squad like Germany. Now they are dime a dozen.
Look at the 1970 French team compare to 2018
LOL
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:52 pm to RyleD
Uhh I didn’t say an observation can’t be racist.. I said his observation wasn’t racist.... god I hate this board during the World Cup.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:58 pm to Vlatket
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Ain't one of them black players on France French. Nothing but Africans born in France. And racism has nothing to do with it.
Do you consider Platini (son of Italian immigrants), Pires (son of Iberian parents), or Luis Fernandez (immigrated from Spain) French? What about players born in Metropolitan France, which includes colonial possessions like Guadeloupe, Martinique, and French Guiana?
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Neither is Ozil, Khedira, or Boateng German, if they weren't athletes they probably wouldn't even be considered German citizens. As Germany rarely considers foreigners born in Germany German. German citizenship is extremely hard to get unless you are ethnic.
In the case of Khedira and Boateng, they were born citizens because they have one German parent. Turks in Germany can become German citizens if they give up their Turkish citizenship by their twenties and they aren't allowed to be dual-citizens, I believe, which is why I think Ozil is a citizen and would be a citizen if he desired, even if he didn't play soccer.
As far as Germany's citizenship laws, my little nephew was born in Germany and is a German citizen, though his parents are not, because his parents met a residency requirement.
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German, French, Russian, etc all have distinct ethnic backgrounds that distinguish them from other groups. When you see a Russian walking around you know it's a Russian just by looking at him.
I'm very skeptical of this. Europeans look by and large the same to my eye.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:27 pm to Vlatket
And so what, what’s the problem? What’s your point?
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:33 am to crazy4lsu
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Do you consider Platini (son of Italian immigrants), Pires (son of Iberian parents), or Luis Fernandez (immigrated from Spain) French? What about players born in Metropolitan France, which includes colonial possessions like Guadeloupe, Martinique, and French Guiana?
Nope, I consider them Italian, Spanish, and Iberian. Those colonies are nothing but Africans to me, came to be because of the African slave trade.
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In the case of Khedira and Boateng, they were born citizens because they have one German parent. Turks in Germany can become German citizens if they give up their Turkish citizenship by their twenties and they aren't allowed to be dual-citizens, I believe, which is why I think Ozil is a citizen and would be a citizen if he desired, even if he didn't play soccer
But the question is are they ethnic German? In other words if the 4th Reich rises can they join? Where I come from it is all about your ethnic background. Doesn't matter where you are born. You have two Croat parents you are Croatian, you have Serb parents you are Serbian, two German and so on. You have two different parents you have no classification you are a mix, no true identity. And I'm sure many homogeneous countries feel the same way. If I, a pasty white guy, was born in Vietnam could I truly call myself Vietnamese? Considering I look nothing like them? Would they accept me as their own?
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As far as Germany's citizenship laws, my little nephew was born in Germany and is a German citizen, though his parents are not, because his parents met a residency requirement.
It is possible to get the passport but it is very hard. Hell! If it wasn't I'd still be over there instead of arguing with you on Tigerdroppings. But those bastards are racist and prejudice against foreigners.
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I'm very skeptical of this. Europeans look by and large the same to my eye.
If all you are doing is judging by skin color then yes. You can classify most of them as white. But the Northern are more Germanic, East is Slavic, West is Italic. Each respective group has distinct facial features.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:58 am to Vlatket
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You have two different parents you have no classification you are a mix, no true identity.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 1:23 am to Vlatket
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Nope, I consider them Italian, Spanish, and Iberian. Those colonies are nothing but Africans to me, came to be because of the African slave trade.
At least you are consistent. That Platini, Pires, and Fernandez, among many other French players of immigrant origin, consider themselves French is good enough for me. Given that most of those colonies that became regions of Metropolitan France had very little choice in what nationality they can choose, it's difficult to see why they wouldn't be considered French, given that they often don't know what their specific African ethnicity is.
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But the question is are they ethnic German? In other words if the 4th Reich rises can they join?
The 1st Reich is considered the Holy Roman Empire, the second is the German Empire after the Franco-Prussian War, and the Third was Nazi Germany. If you mean a 4th Reich strictly in terms of the Nazi Reich, then no, but by pretty much any modern definition of citizenship, a child only needs one parent to be a citizen in order for the child to be a citizen. It's not that controversial, and we don't need to imagine a hypothetical pan-Germanic 4th Reich to see why it wouldn't be. Not only that, there are plenty examples of people with mixed heritage (Mischlings) within the Reich itself to complicate the notion that their method of determining racial purity was anything but scientific. It was pretty much completely arbitrary.
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If I, a pasty white guy, was born in Vietnam could I truly call myself Vietnamese? Considering I look nothing like them? Would they accept me as their own?
I have no idea. If you married into a Vietnamese family your children would probably be considered Vietnamese, though I have no way to verify that.
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If all you are doing is judging by skin color then yes. You can classify most of them as white. But the Northern are more Germanic, East is Slavic, West is Italic. Each respective group has distinct facial features.
I'm familiar with the population patterns in Europe, but given the amount of weight we put on skin color alone, that seems to be the predominant factor in these discussions. Rarely do we ever talk about how Klose and Podolski were of Polish origin. Given how fluid national identity has become, there will be a lot of difference of opinion about what fits into that national identity, but it's important to carry the context within the conversation. Even when you bring up African players, you don't care about where they are from or the differences between specific African ethnic groups; what matters is their skin color. Why should it matter for them and not matter for the Europeans?
I don't see how I can consider players like Klose, Podolski, Khedira, Boateng, and Ozil anything other than German, because that's the choice they made for themselves, given their particular circumstances. You don't need to be a nationalist to play for a team. There is the famous example of Mauro Camoranesi, who was Argentinian, but qualified to play for Italy because of his great-grandfather, among many others, where the fluid nature of nationality is exhibited. Given how hard (even for the German Nazis, who made many exceptions) it is discern ethnic identity, national identity, and football identity, it's not really worthwhile to fret over the chosen nationality of international soccer players. Hence why applauding countries (generally poorer or recently war-torn) for fielding teams closer to their traditional demographics (which in the Balkan case, given the sundry examples of interference we can point to, historically, on the part of the Ottomans, Austro-Hungarians, and the Russians, is super complicated) might as well be a dog-whistle against teams like England and France who benefited due to their colonial empire, and teams like Belgium and Germany, who benefited from work visa programs instituted in the 60s and 70s.
This post was edited on 6/23/18 at 1:26 am
Posted on 6/23/18 at 2:20 am to crazy4lsu
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I don't see how I can consider players like Klose, Podolski, Khedira, Boateng, and Ozil anything other than German, because that's the choice they made for themselves, given their particular circumstances.
I always viewed these two baws as Polish. Their names scream Polish to me. Though Klose has a better claim to being German than Podolski. In today's world you really can't tell. It's more diverse, unless you're in East Europe or Asia
Posted on 6/23/18 at 7:07 am to kengel2
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So if there was a white dude named Nigel and he was good at soccer you wouldn't want to see him on Nigeria's soccer team just because he was white.
What if white dudes started to dominate the Nigerian soccer team? Would you call black Nigerians racist for not liking this? Would you think it awful of them?
Posted on 6/23/18 at 7:31 am to uway
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What if white dudes started to dominate the Nigerian soccer team?
I don't see why it would matter if they are all from Nigeria.
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Would you call black Nigerians racist for not liking this? Would you think it awful of them?
If it was only because they were white then yes.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 8:04 am to kengel2
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f it was only because they were white then yes
It wouldn’t be because they were white. It would be because they weren’t black.
Anyway, I don’t believe you would actually think it awful of Nigerians to want a black national team. No reasonable person would think it bad of them to want to retain an ethnic identity in that way or to lament that something was lost if you replaced their players with white people who were for some odd reason born in Nigeria.
Tl;dr Y’all need to stop oppressing people and recognize the beautiful differences between races and ethnicities.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 8:35 am to Vlatket
They were born in Poland so yeah you can call them Polish.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 8:37 am to uway
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It wouldn’t be because they were white. It would be because they weren’t black.
Is that supposed to be better? Still sounds like some Nazi type bs.
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Anyway, I don’t believe you would actually think it awful of Nigerians to want a black national team. No reasonable person would think it bad of them to want to retain an ethnic identity in that way or to lament that something was lost if you replaced their players with white people who were for some odd reason born in Nigeria.
I wouldn't think it was awful of Nigeria, but a more advanced country sure.
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Tl;dr Y’all need to stop oppressing people and recognize the beautiful differences between races and ethnicities.
Lol, build the wall, bring back Hitler.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:28 pm to kengel2
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I wouldn't think it was awful of Nigeria, but a more advanced country sure
You think Nigerians aren’t capable of not being racist? That’s super progressive if you, buddy.
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Is that supposed to be better? Still sounds like some Nazi type bs
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Hitler
One really effective way of creating Nazis is labeling everyone to your right a Nazi.
You dipshit.
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