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re: Coordinators and Position Coaches haven't been finalized
Posted on 11/28/15 at 6:59 am to Camp Randall
Posted on 11/28/15 at 6:59 am to Camp Randall
From reading the rant the last few days it as if everyone has waiting since 2005 to say, "I told you so, Les isn't a good coach."
It really is ridiculous the things people are bringing up right now in regards to Les and his team. A few I find funny...
- 10 wins doesn't matter as any coach can do
- Les's offensive game plan is a failure (4 weeks ago it was a success)
- Les backed into his first National title (by that same thought Saban backed into 2)
- Les's recruiting is a mirage, the players were coming to LSU regardless
- LSU should be playing for championships yearly
It really is ridiculous the things people are bringing up right now in regards to Les and his team. A few I find funny...
- 10 wins doesn't matter as any coach can do
- Les's offensive game plan is a failure (4 weeks ago it was a success)
- Les backed into his first National title (by that same thought Saban backed into 2)
- Les's recruiting is a mirage, the players were coming to LSU regardless
- LSU should be playing for championships yearly
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Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:00 am to civiltiger07
Considering they are both media now and have connections probably more than 99% of this board.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:06 am to tduecen
I'm not saying that posters on here are more or less informed than media.
However, just because someone is in the media doesn't mean their comments mean anything. Tebow is only in the "media" after he gets cut from his latest NFL experiment, and Finebaum is just a guy that takes phone calls.
However, just because someone is in the media doesn't mean their comments mean anything. Tebow is only in the "media" after he gets cut from his latest NFL experiment, and Finebaum is just a guy that takes phone calls.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:08 am to tduecen
double post
This post was edited on 11/28/15 at 7:09 am
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:09 am to civiltiger07
And both work for ESPN a place where they can reach out to a number of sources. Finebaum has been part of the SEC awhile and Gump Homer or not he probably has a lot of media friends outside of Alabama.
Tebow is well liked and probably has friends everywhere. I would take their comments over a lot of individuals on the rant as the rant has become a cesspool right now.
Tebow is well liked and probably has friends everywhere. I would take their comments over a lot of individuals on the rant as the rant has become a cesspool right now.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:23 am to tduecen
they are outside looking in. I wouldn't listen to the people on this board for the most part, but there are many people who know what they are talking about who want Miles gone.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:28 am to catholictigerfan
As I am sure there are people who are in the know who want Miles to stay.
The fact is, LSU is right where we all thought they would be preseason but the fact we rose to #2 and went 7-0 the expectations were raised so high, they came crashing back to earth. People got mad and this is the aftermath now.
The fact is, LSU is right where we all thought they would be preseason but the fact we rose to #2 and went 7-0 the expectations were raised so high, they came crashing back to earth. People got mad and this is the aftermath now.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:32 am to tduecen
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10 wins doesn't matter as any coach can do - Les's offensive game plan is a failure (4 weeks ago it was a success) - Les backed into his first National title (by that same thought Saban backed into 2) - Les's recruiting is a mirage, the players were coming to LSU regardless - LSU should be playing for championships yearly
All but the offense one is pretty comical. There is no excuse for the LSU offense but the rest of that stuff is garbage.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:44 am to Linkovich
Offense should and I believe will be better next year. I am thinking of Mett's senior season offense. LF, Dupre, Harris will all be juniors. I think LSU only has 1 offensive lineman who is leaving as the rest will be juniors or seniors and only Dural on offense could leave as a position player.
Defense has maybe 2-3 who could leave, next year is the year to pull a 12 win season or undefeated season. If Les can't do it or even a new coach can't do it then that will be a disappointment regardless.
Defense has maybe 2-3 who could leave, next year is the year to pull a 12 win season or undefeated season. If Les can't do it or even a new coach can't do it then that will be a disappointment regardless.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:49 am to tduecen
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Les's offensive game plan is a failure (4 weeks ago it was a success)
the problem with Miles is he doesn't adjust when it stops working.
plus who did we play before Bama? Florida? They almost got beat by a nobody last week.
Another problem with Miles is that he has yet to recruit and develop a good QB. Flynn was a Saban guy, met was a transfer and was already good when he came here.
If we lose today LSU could be #6 in the west :yak: (if MSU wins)
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:51 am to tduecen
I've always said 2016 is the make or break it year for LSU.
I don't think Miles comes back next year, we are past the point of no return.
I don't think Miles comes back next year, we are past the point of no return.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:54 am to tduecen
Anyone here think tom Herman couldn't utilize our offensive talent better than miles?
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:56 am to catholictigerfan
quote:He doesn't but neither did Saban until Saban finally let Kiffen take over. It was a huge complaint on Saban for a long time that he didn't adjust from the power run game.
the problem with Miles is he doesn't adjust when it stops working.
quote:Using that argument is pointless, I mean FSU lost to Georgia Tech for crying out loud and everyone still wants Jimbo.
plus who did we play before Bama? Florida? They almost got beat by a nobody last week.
Alabama struggles but wins and it is a character building game but when we want to use it for our agenda then it becomes a game they should have blown them out and a sign they are not that good.
quote:Harris is on his way he is a true sophomore and will get better. Lee and Jefferson as much as LSU fans don't want to admit they got better by their senior years. RP was on his way until he got in his own way.
Miles is that he has yet to recruit and develop a good QB
Gunner Kiel put LSU in a bad spot and so did RP.... RP left and LSU had no back up plan as Lee and Jefferson I don't think were recruited to start but to be emergency. Kiel was recruited to develop and left last minute which left LSU without an option, we ended up with Mett though, but Kiel should be the starter this year.
quote:He still developed though, same with Flynn they developed. They were not complete when they arrived, or when Les arrived.
already good when he came here.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:58 am to tduecen
Mettenbergs senior year was an anomaly for Les's offense. I'm a Les fan but waiting for an offense every four years is what we've been beaten down to and there is always an excuse.
This post was edited on 11/28/15 at 8:00 am
Posted on 11/28/15 at 7:59 am to 1999
I would prefer Herman over Jimbo honestly, I think if LSU grabs him they could have the next Urban Meyer type coach.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:00 am to catholictigerfan
quote:firing him this year or next doesn't matter... the same options we have this year we will have next year. Herman is not going anywhere this offseason, Jimbo is still at FSU. Next year if Jimbo drops 2/3 games again then Jimbo becomes easier to get and if Herman produces with Houston he becomes a bit harder as more teams make a move for him.
I've always said 2016 is the make or break it year for LSU.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:08 am to tduecen
quote:
Using that argument is pointless, I mean FSU lost to Georgia Tech for crying out loud, and everyone still wants Jimbo.
Alabama struggles but wins, and it is a character building game but when we want to use it for our agenda, then it becomes a game they should have blown them out and a sign they are not that good.
this is the entire argument.
LSU was 7-0 beating only one currently ranked team Florida
Then we played good teams and got embarrassed. Coaches aren't going to be fired by one upset loss, especially when it ends on a crazy play. But when you get beat by three teams handily two teams you had a good chance to beat.
quote:
Harris is on his way he is a true sophomore and will get better. Lee and Jefferson as much as LSU fans don't want to admit they got better by their senior years. RP was on his way until he got in his way.
Harris hasn't done anything yet.
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Gunner Kiel put LSU in a bad spot and so did RP.... RP left and LSU had no back up plan as Lee and Jefferson I don't think were recruited to start but to be emergency. Kiel was recruited to develop and left last minute which left LSU without an option, we ended up with Mett though, but Kiel should be the starter this year.
this is a good point, but the QB position continues to be Miles one thing he can't seem to figure out with the exception of Mett's senior year and Flynn. I want someone who can come in and develop a QB into what he needs them to be.
I'm not going to argue this QB point any more.
The best thing to look at is how we have looked since 2011
2012 6-2
2013 5-3
2014 4-4
2015 4-3 (the way the SEC fell this year, there is no reason we should have lost 3 possible 4 games in the SEC this year.)
I understand that we will have a couple off years after we lose that monster tema we had is 2011, but we are 4 years removed from that, the fact that we are still middle of the road SEC is a sign of where this program is going.
Look I was always a Les Miles fan, but these last 3 weeks changed my view of him. Texas A&M should be a cake walk, but I don't have confidence in this team right now.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:12 am to tduecen
quote:
firing him this year or next doesn't matter... the same options we have this year we will have next year. Herman is not going anywhere this offseason, Jimbo is still at FSU. Next year if Jimbo drops 2/3 games again then Jimbo becomes easier to get and if Herman produces with Houston he becomes a bit harder as more teams make a move for him.
The different for next year and this year is this.
We have a young defense this year, basically everyone is coming back and we have a #1 recruiting class next year. If Miles doesn't show a huge improvement next year over this year, he needs to go.
LF7 likely #1 pick in the NFL draft in 2017, will be in his final year. Offensive line has alot of young guys getting better. Harris in his 2nd year as a starter. Etc.
Also Bama is losing 15+ starters, Ole Miss is losing alot of guys as well. MSU is losing Dak. LSU with all the players coming back would likely be the favorite to win the West next year. It may not be playoff or bust for Miles next year (if he actually comes back) but close to it.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:15 am to catholictigerfan
Alabama has only beaten 1 ranked team by the same argument though. I do disagree with a lot of the statements on the last 3. LSU was in position to tie or take the lead in the 3rd quarter of all 3 games. They made mistakes and lost control of the game but the final score means nothing imo. LSU lost but they had a shot until mistakes killed them.
Harris is better than expected as a true sophomore starting, he is only going to get better. No one expected Harris to light the world on fire but I believe he has provided an upgrade from Jennings last year.
Everyone keeps bring up record the last 3 years. People forget that LSU doesn't have the talent gap they used to. Alabama still does but Ole Miss, Florida, A&M, State, and Arkansas are all recruiting better. A&M I think is finally coming to bite us. I made the point when they joined that A&M would take away recruits LSU would have normally got. It has happened, it may only be a couple a year but those couple can be important pieces.
Harris is better than expected as a true sophomore starting, he is only going to get better. No one expected Harris to light the world on fire but I believe he has provided an upgrade from Jennings last year.
Everyone keeps bring up record the last 3 years. People forget that LSU doesn't have the talent gap they used to. Alabama still does but Ole Miss, Florida, A&M, State, and Arkansas are all recruiting better. A&M I think is finally coming to bite us. I made the point when they joined that A&M would take away recruits LSU would have normally got. It has happened, it may only be a couple a year but those couple can be important pieces.
Posted on 11/28/15 at 8:16 am to tduecen
quote:
Gunner Kiel put LSU in a bad spot and so did RP.... RP left and LSU had no back up plan as Lee and Jefferson I don't think were recruited to start but to be emergency. Kiel was recruited to develop and left last minute which left LSU without an option, we ended up with Mett though, but Kiel should be the starter this year.
Nope nope nope. Sick of giving this staff a pass for the piss poor QB play.
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