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re: The morning after for a Kelly negatiger
Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:58 am to tigerbaitlawyer
Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:58 am to tigerbaitlawyer
TBL, I'm in the same boat. I was underwhelmed and a little frustrated. But looking at his career and the fact that he puts together solid teams over his 12 seasons, and being in the national title hunt for 3 of those seasons is impressive, when considering the very limited pool of players he has to pull from.
The admission standards are ridiculous, it is why Stanford can't stay in the mix in the Pac12.
If he can get a good OC in here I think he will be successful. 10 yrs is a long time, Saban set LSU up for success in 5 yrs.
The admission standards are ridiculous, it is why Stanford can't stay in the mix in the Pac12.
If he can get a good OC in here I think he will be successful. 10 yrs is a long time, Saban set LSU up for success in 5 yrs.
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 7:59 am to jp4lsu
Not sure what you were going for with longevity. Any young wiz kid coach would have been gone to the NFL in a few years!
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:00 am to Choupique19
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Is it possible to be still skeptical of a guy with a 12-9 career head coaching record while playing with almost none of his own recruits without being labeled a “hater”?
He was a couple of breaks, here and there, from having Baylor in the playoffs in his second year. Baylor. :letthatsinkin:
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Supposedly he didn't want anyone tied to miles or o.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:01 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:wow, some you sound like women. Just because he chose Kelly over Aranda doesn't mean he hates Aranda. My main concerns with Aranda were short HC tenure/sampling size, and can he recruit alongside the big boys.
Woodward irrationally hates Aranda for some reason
That's actually rational thinking, not irrational hate.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:02 am to clamdip
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Just because he chose Kelly over Aranda doesn't mean he hates Aranda.
He didn't even interview or make contact with Aranda. It wasn't just "choosing Kelly over him"
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:02 am to Chalkywhite84
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Supposedly he didn't want anyone tied to miles or o.
Except Corey Raymond
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well the question is if you want a stop gap or a potential long term hire. We went for a stop gap and that's cool. I was responding to the poster's desire for a long term hire. There really weren't that many options once Riley's intentions were known.
Kelly is just as, if not more likely to go 10 years at LSU than just about any of the other names hired are to go that long at theirs. There are hit names every cycle that end up being a duds by the next cycle.
Let's see who is at their new school longer between Kelly and Napier, for example. No matter how many times we see it play out, some folks don't understand that young doesn't always mean 15 year one-school dynasty. It actually almost never does.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:09 am to Ace Midnight
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He was a couple of breaks, here and there, from having Baylor in the playoffs in his second year. Baylor. :letthatsinkin:
The same Baylor where Briles and Rhule both did very well?
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:14 am to guttata
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But it took LSU paying a guy almost 4x what he was currently making to get him to leave. I highly doubt Kelly was leaving ND if LSU were simply willing to double his salary
Where in the world are you getting that we are quadrupling his salary
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:16 am to Greace
for some reason most people seem to think bk was only making 2 mill per year at Notre Dame
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:18 am to guttata
Bet you feel silly.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:18 am to PureBlood
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Give the man 2 seasons.
frick no. LSU us stacked with double the talent of ND. He should win 9 games min next year.
I'm interested in why you think 2 years is needed.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:18 am to nugget
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The same Baylor where Briles and Rhule both did very well?
Certainly. Briles is toxic or would otherwise have a top tier job now. Rhule is in the NFL, albeit struggling.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:19 am to jp4lsu
Saban was 2 years younger than Kelly when bama hired him FYI
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:20 am to Chalkywhite84
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Supposedly he didn't want anyone tied to miles or o.
Raymond and Faulk are being retained, no? (Now, they're both legendary former players, but still.)
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:20 am to jp4lsu
He's one of the best coaches in CFB. Anyone who is melting over this hire is a moron.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:22 am to slackster
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He has the highest floor of basically any attainable coach in the country
I don't like the hire and really wanted Aranda, but this is definitely true. I don't see LSU being less than a 9-10 win team every year under Kelly. I just hope he can get over the hump and hate that he is a complete and utter dickhead that is unlikeable.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I think it's just the opposite.
Well the question is if you want a stop gap or a potential long term hire. We went for a stop gap and that's cool. I was responding to the poster's desire for a long term hire. There really weren't that many options once Riley's intentions were known.
With the younger guys, there is a dang good chance the NFL will come calling in 5 years if they are successful.
With Kelly you have to assume he's not going to the NFL and this will be his last stop in college. That gives you at least 8-10 years if he wants it. That's no stop gap
Posted on 11/30/21 at 8:23 am to jp4lsu
There are no certainties in a coaching search. The person/people (at ANY job) doing the hiring is/are simply trying to make the best educated decision based upon the information available at the time. Past history is often the best predictor of future success. To that end, it is hard to argue that Kelly, based upon his resume, wasn't the best AVAILABLE option. Saban and Dabo weren't coming. Neither were Smart or Ryan Day. Apparently LSU wasn't interested in Meyer or vice-versa. Not matter what they say publicly, LSU tried to get Lincoln Riley. He chose USC. So who was left that had a better resume? The answer is no one.
Aranda, Napier, Campbell, Fickell, Kiffin have all had success at lesser programs than Notre Dame. One or all may very well be the next great coach. But no one can say that with any certainty. And for his part, Brian Kelly was Luke Fickell before Luke Fickell. That is, a guy who had tremendous success at Cincinnati before parlaying an undefeated season into a major job (Notre Dame)
Above all LSU fans demand tremendous success (SEC championships, playoff appearances, National Championships). In a world of uncertainty Kelly was the most "certain" available person to attain that success.
Aranda, Napier, Campbell, Fickell, Kiffin have all had success at lesser programs than Notre Dame. One or all may very well be the next great coach. But no one can say that with any certainty. And for his part, Brian Kelly was Luke Fickell before Luke Fickell. That is, a guy who had tremendous success at Cincinnati before parlaying an undefeated season into a major job (Notre Dame)
Above all LSU fans demand tremendous success (SEC championships, playoff appearances, National Championships). In a world of uncertainty Kelly was the most "certain" available person to attain that success.
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